Large Wahabite Jambiya for comment.

Atlantia · 30th November 2010, 12:07 AM

This one looks to have good age. I'd guess late 19th or early 20th. The camera flash actually makes it look a bit cheap, but the quality seems very good. Belt is complete, if a little dry (would you feed the leather?). Even the domed brass studs are hand made. Seems a nice quality example and complete.
I believe a good friend of mine has a twin for this one

kahnjar1 · 30th November 2010, 04:17 AM

I assume these are what you are refering to?? Thats a nice piece Gene. Perhaps its lonely??

Its always nice to get the belt with it. Think I saw it on a certain site??
The term "wahabite" is really a term used (like Jambiya) by collectors, to describe a large range of daggers of this long bladed type. More correctly according to the description applied to this particular pattern in the 1991 Exhibition at the King Faisal Center, Riyadh, the correct name is (and I quote) "A DHARIA dagger known as MALSA, with a blade of the BEYD type.
This pattern contemporary to the Bani Shahr, Bani Malik and Bani Qarn tribes"
Hope this is of interest.
Stu

BY THE WAY-----HOWS THE SUNNY SOUTH?? A BIT COLD?

Atlantia · 30th November 2010, 10:14 AM

Hi Stu,
Yes mate, I did mean yours of course

Thanks for the info. It came from a local dealer. Can you PM me the site you saw it on, thats an interesting turn of events.

Have you ever seen a left handed one of these? Or are they all right handed?
Its pretty frozen and miserable here, thanks

Best
Gene

kahnjar1 · 1st December 2010, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Stu,
Yes mate, I did mean yours of course

Thanks for the info. It came from a local dealer. Can you PM me the site you saw it on, thats an interesting turn of events.

Have you ever seen a left handed one of these? Or are they all right handed?
Its pretty frozen and miserable here, thanks

Best
Gene

You have PM on the other matter, but I did not answer the bit about right and left hand. ALL pics I have of these being worn show that they are worn to be drawn by the LEFT hand, and, no, I have never seen a right handed one in any books either.
I can only assume that because in Islamic custom the right hand is used for eating, that other things (including ablutions) and killing is for the left hand. Those here of the Muslim faith can perhaps confirm this.

Atlantia · 1st December 2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

You have PM on the other matter, but I did not answer the bit about right and left hand. ALL pics I have of these being worn show that they are worn to be drawn by the LEFT hand, and, no, I have never seen a right handed one in any books either.
I can only assume that because in Islamic custom the right hand is used for eating, that other things (including ablutions) and killing is for the left hand. Those here of the Muslim faith can perhaps confirm this.

Hi Stu,

I've got that backwards then! I thought they were worn facing left but drawn with the right hand in an upward arc and then reversed. The studs make the handle feel awful in the left hand. So do these chaps fight with them left handed?
Is that picture dated? You can see why the belts are so small, they are very slightly built.
Can you have a look at the end of the scabbards on your Stu, are they modified brass cartridge casings? Also, the silver part of the end looks like a big silver thimble!
I'll take a close-up later.

Lew,
Thanks for the info. Do you still have similar examples?
If so can you post pics?

Dom,
Handy tip, thanks

Rick,
I have a pair of motorcross boots from the 70s! LOL.
Part of a film prop costume actually.

Best
Gene

A.alnakkas · 1st December 2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

You have PM on the other matter, but I did not answer the bit about right and left hand. ALL pics I have of these being worn show that they are worn to be drawn by the LEFT hand, and, no, I have never seen a right handed one in any books either.
I can only assume that because in Islamic custom the right hand is used for eating, that other things (including ablutions) and killing is for the left hand. Those here of the Muslim faith can perhaps confirm this.

i dont recall anything in my faith about using the left hand for killing. but yes, the right hand is for eating, hand shaking and anything thats demands interaction between other people (for example, its prefered if i hand you an item with my right hand rather then the left). the left hand is not used for human interactions (cant find a better word) because its used for cleaning the body or touching anything dirty.

Beautiful picture, looks like a picture i saw long time ago or maybe its the same one... as far as i know, the guy with the "omani" janbiya seems to be a sharif.

btw, about the name of the "wahabite" janbiya, bedouin friends of mine call iy simply.. janbiya, though i reckon that the Saudi source is more historically correct.

i have found such janbiya but its shorter then the usual, the scabbard is of good quality and the blade is too clean to be old but it is a janbiya of decent quality, so is it common to find shorter examples? will try to provide pictures whenever am free

to atlantia ; the diet of pre-modernisation arabia wasnt as fattening as now, hehe.

A.Alnakkas

Lew · 1st December 2010, 04:38 PM

Here are a few from my collection past and present. The real big one is no longer with me.

kahnjar1 · 2nd December 2010, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

i dont recall anything in my faith about using the left hand for killing. but yes, the right hand is for eating, hand shaking and anything thats demands interaction between other people (for example, its prefered if i hand you an item with my right hand rather then the left). the left hand is not used for human interactions (cant find a better word) because its used for cleaning the body or touching anything dirty.

Beautiful picture, looks like a picture i saw long time ago or maybe its the same one... as far as i know, the guy with the "omani" janbiya seems to be a sharif.

btw, about the name of the "wahabite" janbiya, bedouin friends of mine call iy simply.. janbiya, though i reckon that the Saudi source is more historically correct.

i have found such janbiya but its shorter then the usual, the scabbard is of good quality and the blade is too clean to be old but it is a janbiya of decent quality, so is it common to find shorter examples? will try to provide pictures whenever am free

to atlantia ; the diet of pre-modernisation arabia wasnt as fattening as now, hehe.

A.Alnakkas

The pic in question appears in Elgood's Arms and Armour of Arabia, and the caption with it reads:
"The Sharif Yahya flanked by his gun-holding slave and two lesser Sharifs in long dark dress. Yahya is the son of Sharif Ahmed whose father was the famous Grand Sharif Abd al-Muttalib deceased in 1886."
I am not sure what one should apply as the length of a "generation" but one could guess I suppose that this pic was taken around 1930ish.
Also here are a couple more pics of Long Jambiya being worn. These pics were taken in the 1980s.

colin henshaw · 30th November 2010, 12:19 PM

Looks a good old example, and nice with the belt.

I would leave the leather alone.

Regards.

Lew · 30th November 2010, 12:31 PM

Nice piece you have there

. As for the age I would think after 1920-30?

Congrats

Dom · 30th November 2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Belt is complete, if a little dry (would you feed the leather?).

Hi
for sure, definitively, you have to have to feed the leather, the best ... grease for gun

then, make a serious massage with your fingers ...
not with a brush ... too soft, the grease must enter the leather

à +

Dom

Rick · 30th November 2010, 03:44 PM

I suggest this stuff for dried out leather .

It will initially darken a bit but with time the original color returns .
Inhibits mold and mildew .

http://www.leathertherapy.com/

Atlantia · 30th November 2010, 09:49 PM

Colin,
Thanks mate, I'm just worried the leather will start to crack if I don't feed it a little.

Lew,
Thanks bud, its crtainly an interesting thing.
Thats quite a late date, how come?

Dom,
Gun grease! Really?

Rick,
Mold and mildrew! hadn't even thought of that!!

Lew · 30th November 2010, 11:41 PM

[QUOTE=Atlantia]Colin,
Thanks mate, I'm just worried the leather will start to crack if I don't feed it a little.

Lew,
Thanks bud, its crtainly an interesting thing.
Thats quite a late date, how come?

These types of daggers start showing up after 1920 I have a few of them and have shown them to Artzi and he confirmed that they are the second quarter of the 20th century. Also many of these daggers were brought back after WW1 AND WW2. I have an old one with a belt and it has a zippered pouch the zipper is a YKK brand so it dates it to the late 1940s.

Dom · 1st December 2010, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Dom, Gun grease! Really?

YES ... massage with grease (not oil) really, it's work superb

à +

Dom

Rick · 1st December 2010, 02:44 AM

[QUOTE=Atlantia Rick,
Mold and mildrew! hadn't even thought of that!!

[/QUOTE]

I have a pair of Belstaff Motorcycle boots from 1964; still ... thanks to this stuff .

Fed a lovely Kaskara scabbard very dried out with this stuff 3-4 years ago; it is still supple and has not dried out .

Good stuff .

30th November 2010, 12:07 AM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Large Wahabite Jambiya for comment. This one looks to have good age. I'd guess late 19th or early 20th. The camera flash actually makes it look a bit cheap, but the quality seems very good. Belt is complete, if a little dry (would you feed the leather?). Even the domed brass studs are hand made. Seems a nice quality example and complete. I believe a good friend of mine has a twin for this one Attached Images Last edited by Atlantia; 30th November 2010 at 12:57 AM.

30th November 2010, 04:17 AM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	...........yes and its close cousin! I assume these are what you are refering to?? Thats a nice piece Gene. Perhaps its lonely?? Its always nice to get the belt with it. Think I saw it on a certain site?? The term "wahabite" is really a term used (like Jambiya) by collectors, to describe a large range of daggers of this long bladed type. More correctly according to the description applied to this particular pattern in the 1991 Exhibition at the King Faisal Center, Riyadh, the correct name is (and I quote) "A DHARIA dagger known as MALSA, with a blade of the BEYD type. This pattern contemporary to the Bani Shahr, Bani Malik and Bani Qarn tribes" Hope this is of interest. Stu BY THE WAY-----HOWS THE SUNNY SOUTH?? A BIT COLD? Attached Images Last edited by kahnjar1; 30th November 2010 at 04:30 AM.

30th November 2010, 10:14 AM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Stu, Yes mate, I did mean yours of course Thanks for the info. It came from a local dealer. Can you PM me the site you saw it on, thats an interesting turn of events. Have you ever seen a left handed one of these? Or are they all right handed? Its pretty frozen and miserable here, thanks Best Gene Last edited by Atlantia; 30th November 2010 at 10:25 AM.

1st December 2010, 04:38 PM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here are a few from my collection past and present. The real big one is no longer with me. Attached Images

30th November 2010, 12:19 PM	#9
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Looks a good old example, and nice with the belt. I would leave the leather alone. Regards.

30th November 2010, 12:31 PM	#10
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Nice piece you have there . As for the age I would think after 1920-30? Congrats

30th November 2010, 03:44 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I suggest this stuff for dried out leather . It will initially darken a bit but with time the original color returns . Inhibits mold and mildew . http://www.leathertherapy.com/

30th November 2010, 09:49 PM	#13
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Colin, Thanks mate, I'm just worried the leather will start to crack if I don't feed it a little. Lew, Thanks bud, its crtainly an interesting thing. Thats quite a late date, how come? Dom, Gun grease! Really? Rick, Mold and mildrew! hadn't even thought of that!!

30th November 2010, 11:41 PM	#14
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	[QUOTE=Atlantia]Colin, Thanks mate, I'm just worried the leather will start to crack if I don't feed it a little. Lew, Thanks bud, its crtainly an interesting thing. Thats quite a late date, how come? These types of daggers start showing up after 1920 I have a few of them and have shown them to Artzi and he confirmed that they are the second quarter of the 20th century. Also many of these daggers were brought back after WW1 AND WW2. I have an old one with a belt and it has a zippered pouch the zipper is a YKK brand so it dates it to the late 1940s.

1st December 2010, 02:44 AM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	[QUOTE=Atlantia Rick, Mold and mildrew! hadn't even thought of that!! [/QUOTE] I have a pair of Belstaff Motorcycle boots from 1964; still ... thanks to this stuff . Fed a lovely Kaskara scabbard very dried out with this stuff 3-4 years ago; it is still supple and has not dried out . Good stuff .