Comments and Identification required on these two items

[Miguel]

Hi Eeveryone I would appreciate your comments and help in identifying the following two items.
The Khanjar I have had for some time and hanever really known whether it is a real weapon or a tourist piece although I must admit to feeling it is the latter, The hilt is of some form of stone carved with a lions head pommel and moustache type quillons. the blade although sharp and well tempered seems to thin for the hilt size/
The second item I don't have a clue to its origin or if it has a specific name. It is extremely well made and to all intents and purposes looks like a leather covered stick, the joint being well concealed. I did think that it may be a "Swagger Stick" but am not really sure as it has no insignia or marrks of any kind. It would make a suitable weapon for an assassin.
Thank you.
Miguel

[estcrh]

Miguel, your khanjar does seem to be more of a lessor quality item, the blade has no details and the handle carving is not very detailed as well. The sword stick would be a "gupti" if it is from India.

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Miguel, your khanjar does seem to be more of a lessor quality item, the blade has no details and the handle carving is not very detailed as well. The sword stick would be a "gupti" if it is from India.

Thanks for your comments and photo, you always seem to make things look better than they actually are. I agree with your observations on the Khanjar and I think it to plain for a tourist piece which makes think it must have had another purpose just what I don't know but hopefully some other members may have a view. With regard to the other weapon I do not think that it is a Gupti as it is to short , 16 ins O/L, but I do think it was made in India to be used as a Swagger Stick as apparently they were made for soldiers at the time.
Miguel

[Tim Simmons]

The other piece looks to be North African.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Thanks for your comments and photo, you always seem to make things look better than they actually are. I agree with your observations on the Khanjar and I think it to plain for a tourist piece which makes think it must have had another purpose just what I don't know but hopefully some other members may have a view.

Miguel, I do run into weapons which for a lack of a better term I think of as a "poor mans" weapon. After all not everyone could afford a higher end weapon. I own an Indian tiger tooth Jambiya which seems to fit the discription, not a tourist item but not quite up to the standards of a higher quality weapon, a little thinner blade, and the decoration is not as detailed. There are sure to be other opinions of course (hopefully).

[Miguel]

Estcrh! I take your point and have had the same thoughts myself but what puts some doubt in my mind is the weight of the hilt in comparison to the blade which I think it may be cause difficulties in suspending it in the normal type of scabbard, very top heavy although it fits beautifully in the hand and feels very comfortable to grip.

Tim, thanks for your input, have you any images or can you direct me to a reference as I have looked at North Africa and could not find anything similar.
Miguel

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Miguel

With regard to the other weapon I do not think that it is a Gupti as it is to short , 16 ins O/L, but I do think it was made in India to be used as a Swagger Stick as apparently they were made for soldiers at the time.
Miguel

Miguel, I have a small, brown, leather covered swagger stick about the same size as yours that I purchased many years ago, I tried to find my pictures of it but they are missing, the stick is hidden inside a pile of boxs but maybe I can find it. It does not have a sword inside, it is soft brown leather that is stiched up one side, I was told that it was a womans swagger stick from some kind of military service, possibly WWII.

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Miguel, I have a small, brown, leather covered swagger stick about the same size as yours that I purchased many years ago, I tried to find my pictures of it but they are missing, the stick is hidden inside a pile of boxs but maybe I can find it. It does not have a sword inside, it is soft brown leather that is stiched up one side, I was told that it was a womans swagger stick from some kind of military service, possibly WWII.

Estcrh, If you can turn it up I would like to see it
, if possible. It would be interesting to compare the two, I think that Swagger sticks like mine were probably made to order or as I mentioned earlier the Indians made them to sell to the troops so it could more than likely be one of these.
Miguel

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Estcrh, If you can turn it up I would like to see it
, if possible. It would be interesting to compare the two, I think that Swagger sticks like mine were probably made to order or as I mentioned earlier the Indians made them to sell to the troops so it could more than likely be one of these.
Miguel

Miguel, packed away inside this chest for many years, 17inches long.