Lobster Tail Helmet okay?

AHorsa · 24th May 2016, 07:17 PM

Dear All,

I would love to know your opinion about this helmet. In my eyes it looks good but I am not an expert. It is stamped XXV, one ear is missing.
How would you date the helmet?

Looking forward to your comments,
Andreas

fernando · 24th May 2016, 08:30 PM

Interrsting item.
Does it belong in your collection, Andreas ?

AHorsa · 24th May 2016, 08:38 PM

Not yet, but got the permission from the current owner to ask for opinions here.

AHorsa · 25th May 2016, 09:14 PM

I checked the images carefully again and assume, that the helmet is authentic, but the left earflap might be not (the rusts colour insede, the form of the rivets). Is that possible?

Cheerio
Andreas

A Senefelder · 3rd June 2016, 11:58 AM

Based on what I can tell from the pics this seems to be a period example of one of the more ubiquitous types ( stylistically ) of zischagge. I've owned one of this style minus the control mark/armoury stamp in the past. As has been noted the different rusting pattern on the remaining cheek plate may be of note, not necessarily indicating that it is a fake part ( it appears to be of fairly standard form ) but that it may be from a different helmet at some point in the past, whether a working life replacement or at some point after of course being difficult to say without closer, " in hand " examination.

Silver Shield · 25th August 2016, 05:56 PM

The patina shown of your close ups of this "Zischagge" is no doubt, its good. Mid 1600s Aprox .as most members know . They are usually said to be Dutch manufacture , but I think this particular type is German, from comparisons of helmets I have seen , but that's only a opinion. Cheek pieces are Drilled not Punched as period or older examples , and as other members said usually have been replaced . Punched holes as usual at this time have a inner ring, because the where punched with a tool from both sides . I have had 20 Plus of these through my hands and all but one had replaced cheek pieces , and nasal bars. Every one I had too had seemed to have been been relined usually with buff leather as the originals usually seemed to have . Usually these numbers seen to be like a issue number of government or estate troops , not privately owned at the time by the user a inventory or issue marking not a contract number nor lot or piece number .

24th May 2016, 07:17 PM	#1
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	Lobster Tail Helmet okay? Dear All, I would love to know your opinion about this helmet. In my eyes it looks good but I am not an expert. It is stamped XXV, one ear is missing. How would you date the helmet? Looking forward to your comments, Andreas Attached Images

25th August 2016, 05:56 PM	#6
Silver Shield Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Phoenix Arizona USA Posts: 32	Zischagge details The patina shown of your close ups of this "Zischagge" is no doubt, its good. Mid 1600s Aprox .as most members know . They are usually said to be Dutch manufacture , but I think this particular type is German, from comparisons of helmets I have seen , but that's only a opinion. Cheek pieces are Drilled not Punched as period or older examples , and as other members said usually have been replaced . Punched holes as usual at this time have a inner ring, because the where punched with a tool from both sides . I have had 20 Plus of these through my hands and all but one had replaced cheek pieces , and nasal bars. Every one I had too had seemed to have been been relined usually with buff leather as the originals usually seemed to have . Usually these numbers seen to be like a issue number of government or estate troops , not privately owned at the time by the user a inventory or issue marking not a contract number nor lot or piece number .

24th May 2016, 08:30 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Interrsting item. Does it belong in your collection, Andreas ?

24th May 2016, 08:38 PM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	Not yet, but got the permission from the current owner to ask for opinions here.

25th May 2016, 09:14 PM	#4
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	I checked the images carefully again and assume, that the helmet is authentic, but the left earflap might be not (the rusts colour insede, the form of the rivets). Is that possible? Cheerio Andreas

3rd June 2016, 11:58 AM	#5
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Based on what I can tell from the pics this seems to be a period example of one of the more ubiquitous types ( stylistically ) of zischagge. I've owned one of this style minus the control mark/armoury stamp in the past. As has been noted the different rusting pattern on the remaining cheek plate may be of note, not necessarily indicating that it is a fake part ( it appears to be of fairly standard form ) but that it may be from a different helmet at some point in the past, whether a working life replacement or at some point after of course being difficult to say without closer, " in hand " examination.