Walang Sinudhuk

Marcokeris · 15th May 2007, 01:28 PM

For all keris friend collectors
Is it possible to see a CLEAR photo (no a pen/pencil picture) of the "true" pamor Walang Sinudhuk? (I saw in internet a photo of pamor Sinudhukan but it seem a kind of gamelan pamor)
From a long time I ask about this pamor. The answer always is : "Ohh.. i's very difficult to find!"

Is this pamor REAL ? (OR IS A LEGEND?)

Raden Usman Djogja · 15th May 2007, 03:25 PM

Marco,

I have never seen pamor walang sinudhuk. But this kind of pamor is written in Ensiklopedi Budaya Nasional. It is difficult to say either legend or not.

I have a good story, according shape "umyang". I found several umyangs in traditional market "Beringharjo". Definitely, all of Umyang there were modifications.

And someday, I attended pametri widji gathering (usually this gathering is held on Sunday, the third week). At that time, the gathering was a little bit more special because of celebrating its anniversary. To me, one of guests brought a very special keris. Its shape was umyang, real umyang. Actually, for other person, there was no suprise. It's wellknown that there's a real umyang in the city. It belongs to that guest. After that, for me, umyang is not merely a legend.

Joke!
If you want to get/buy a Keris which has pamor walang sinudhuk. Just come to "a traditional market" and say what you want to at any price. One month later, go there and you will find it as you said. But, imho, just look at and dont ever buy it. Even if you search "pamor apollo" for 100 million rupiahs, it will be there soon, perhaps more than one.

cahaya · 16th May 2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

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...pamor Walang Sinudhuk-Is this pamor REAL ? (OR IS A LEGEND?)

Dear Marco,
pamor walang sinunduk is real not just a legend ,i belive ..

Manshur can help us...?to explain or showing keris with pamor walang sinunduk

Mick · 16th May 2007, 07:32 PM

Marco

We have had this topic on the Forum before, but the pictures have been dropped from the archives. Battara put the photos up so he may still have them and put them up again. Or maybe he knows who has the piece now and that person can put them up. If I remember correctly this was a very good representation of that pamor.

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000533.html

If you have a copy of Tammens “De Kris 2” there is a good illustration on page 156.

Jeff Pringle · 16th May 2007, 07:36 PM

Scroll to bottom, keris on right? or is that the photo you already ran across?

http://www.nikhef.nl/~tonvr/keris/keris1/blade.html

Mick · 16th May 2007, 08:02 PM

No Jeff

Battara's example was much better that that one. It was almost as distinct as the drawing in Tammen's book.

Marcokeris · 17th May 2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Pringle

Scroll to bottom, keris on right? or is that the photo you already ran across?

http://www.nikhef.nl/~tonvr/keris/keris1/blade.html

Sorry Jeff: this pamor is Lar Gansir or G.kaniut or K. kinubah

Marcokeris · 17th May 2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mick

Marco

We have had this topic on the Forum before, but the pictures have been dropped from the archives. Battara put the photos up so he may still have them and put them up again. Or maybe he knows who has the piece now and that person can put them up. If I remember correctly this was a very good representation of that pamor.

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000533.html

If you have a copy of Tammens “De Kris 2” there is a good illustration on page 156.

Sorry Mick but i have seen in other different books also some others pictures (never a photo) of W. Sinudhuk pamor: well! ...but they are all different!!!
Maybe the picture in beautiful book "Keris Jawa" is the right pamor..... but i would like to see a photo.

Mick · 17th May 2007, 05:27 PM

Marco

I may be getting a bit old, but I just leafed through "Keris Jawa" and did not see a sample of the pamor under discussion.

The illustration in Tammens is:

Mick · 17th May 2007, 05:34 PM

Marco

To continue (I can't figure out how to continue in the same post after adding the illustration), the photograph that Battara placed was a picture of a blade that he has held in his hand that was almost a dead ringer of this illustration.

That is if I remember it correctly. Battara where are you??

I have never seen a blade with this pamor.

15th May 2007, 01:28 PM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Walang Sinudhuk For all keris friend collectors Is it possible to see a CLEAR photo (no a pen/pencil picture) of the "true" pamor Walang Sinudhuk? (I saw in internet a photo of pamor Sinudhukan but it seem a kind of gamelan pamor) From a long time I ask about this pamor. The answer always is : "Ohh.. i's very difficult to find!" Is this pamor REAL ? (OR IS A LEGEND?)

17th May 2007, 05:27 PM	#9
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	Marco I may be getting a bit old, but I just leafed through "Keris Jawa" and did not see a sample of the pamor under discussion. The illustration in Tammens is: Attached Images

15th May 2007, 03:25 PM	#2
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Marco, I have never seen pamor walang sinudhuk. But this kind of pamor is written in Ensiklopedi Budaya Nasional. It is difficult to say either legend or not. I have a good story, according shape "umyang". I found several umyangs in traditional market "Beringharjo". Definitely, all of Umyang there were modifications. And someday, I attended pametri widji gathering (usually this gathering is held on Sunday, the third week). At that time, the gathering was a little bit more special because of celebrating its anniversary. To me, one of guests brought a very special keris. Its shape was umyang, real umyang. Actually, for other person, there was no suprise. It's wellknown that there's a real umyang in the city. It belongs to that guest. After that, for me, umyang is not merely a legend. Joke! If you want to get/buy a Keris which has pamor walang sinudhuk. Just come to "a traditional market" and say what you want to at any price. One month later, go there and you will find it as you said. But, imho, just look at and dont ever buy it. Even if you search "pamor apollo" for 100 million rupiahs, it will be there soon, perhaps more than one.

16th May 2007, 07:32 PM	#4
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	Marco We have had this topic on the Forum before, but the pictures have been dropped from the archives. Battara put the photos up so he may still have them and put them up again. Or maybe he knows who has the piece now and that person can put them up. If I remember correctly this was a very good representation of that pamor. http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000533.html If you have a copy of Tammens “De Kris 2” there is a good illustration on page 156.

16th May 2007, 07:36 PM	#5
Jeff Pringle Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 189	Scroll to bottom, keris on right? or is that the photo you already ran across? http://www.nikhef.nl/~tonvr/keris/keris1/blade.html

16th May 2007, 08:02 PM	#6
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	No Jeff Battara's example was much better that that one. It was almost as distinct as the drawing in Tammen's book.

17th May 2007, 05:34 PM	#10
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	Marco To continue (I can't figure out how to continue in the same post after adding the illustration), the photograph that Battara placed was a picture of a blade that he has held in his hand that was almost a dead ringer of this illustration. That is if I remember it correctly. Battara where are you?? I have never seen a blade with this pamor.