Translation please

corrado26 · 24th March 2019, 04:19 PM

Is there anybody here able to translate the script on the blade of this sabre?
Many thanks!!

Battara · 24th March 2019, 09:54 PM

According to the rules, you need to show pics of the whole thing first before anything can happen.

Kubur · 24th March 2019, 10:23 PM

One of the best Ottoman military sword that i saw.
Is the hilt full silver?

Kubur

Tim Simmons · 24th March 2019, 10:45 PM

With respect, if this is the best you have seen to me it appears rather poor. I am not a specialist in this area but it is not fine work. However production can depend on many circumstances such as war where art standards are not the main aim.

Kubur · 25th March 2019, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

With respect, if this is the best you have seen to me it appears rather poor. I am not a specialist in this area but it is not fine work. However production can depend on many circumstances such as war where art standards are not the main aim.

I noticed that many forum members are passive agressive, it's not necessary.
I can have an easy answer (like Ariel) "please show us better examples"
I suspect that the mounts and hilt are full silver with proof marks (and thughra) and the blade is really good too with a nice inscription.
Mine is not good as this one and many military swords published are not good as this one (the guard is dammaged unfortunately).
So please show us better examples.

Jim McDougall · 25th March 2019, 05:31 PM

It seems to me this is indeed a sabre intended for a military officer, and the blade is perhaps older than the mounts as it has interesting deep fullering. The mounts are of course in Ottoman style and heavily silver clad. While not of perhaps of the highest quality, I am wondering if this work might be from a more remote region in the Ottoman influenced sphere. It would seem that if in more directly controlled area, such work would carry a hallmark.

What I think is most notable on the scabbard is the carry mounts, which are situated in the manner found on Caucasian shashkas. The device on the blade, while mindful of Ottoman tughra, appears to be intended in that sense, but not following typical convention.

It would be good to see this interesting inscribed cartouche translated, if nothing else to determine the language used. While I am not saying this sword is Russian, it reminds me of instances of 'trophy' blades mounted in their cultural sphere.

corrado26 · 25th March 2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

According to the rules, you need to show pics of the whole thing first before anything can happen.

Sorry, as the sabre is the property of a friend I have no better fotos. Hope these two fotos will help!

24th March 2019, 04:19 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	Translation please Is there anybody here able to translate the script on the blade of this sabre? Many thanks!! Attached Images

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	According to the rules, you need to show pics of the whole thing first before anything can happen.

24th March 2019, 10:23 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	One of the best Ottoman military sword that i saw. Is the hilt full silver? Kubur

24th March 2019, 10:45 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	With respect, if this is the best you have seen to me it appears rather poor. I am not a specialist in this area but it is not fine work. However production can depend on many circumstances such as war where art standards are not the main aim.

25th March 2019, 05:31 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,946	It seems to me this is indeed a sabre intended for a military officer, and the blade is perhaps older than the mounts as it has interesting deep fullering. The mounts are of course in Ottoman style and heavily silver clad. While not of perhaps of the highest quality, I am wondering if this work might be from a more remote region in the Ottoman influenced sphere. It would seem that if in more directly controlled area, such work would carry a hallmark. What I think is most notable on the scabbard is the carry mounts, which are situated in the manner found on Caucasian shashkas. The device on the blade, while mindful of Ottoman tughra, appears to be intended in that sense, but not following typical convention. It would be good to see this interesting inscribed cartouche translated, if nothing else to determine the language used. While I am not saying this sword is Russian, it reminds me of instances of 'trophy' blades mounted in their cultural sphere.