what kind of sword?

ilias · 16th January 2009, 09:28 AM

Hi everyone.This sword is offered for sale.
Iron guard with floral designs.Can anyone tell the origin of this sword?Is it Polish or Hungarian or Persian?THanks in advance

ariel · 16th January 2009, 01:29 PM

See page 3 of this thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=gaddara
Astonishing similarity!

ilias · 16th January 2009, 02:11 PM

Dear Ariel.
Thanks for your reply.The thread was very enlightening.The similarity realy is ashtonishing.The hilt I believe is exactly the same.What about the blade?Does it seems right to you?Because it is more curved than the Irani Gaddara that you have showed.

ariel · 16th January 2009, 03:12 PM

It also does not have the etched cartouche. But they are hand-made, not mass-produced in China:-)
I'd like to read a discussion!

ilias · 16th January 2009, 07:27 PM

As i see the images again and again I wonder if there is any chance the blade to be an indian blade remounted with that hilt?Can anyone do a suggestion about the age of this sword?
Ariel as I read the past threads you said that the Irani Gaddaras that you have see are about 18th & 19th c.
Do you believe that the age of this sword is so?
Also I am confused as you said that these swords are handmade and not a China production.Do you believe that is recent ?
Sorry for so many questions that I make but because I am interested to buy it I want to know if it is a right purchase.
Thanks
Ilias

ariel · 17th January 2009, 03:19 AM

I do not know the age of this sword.
I suspect it to be 18-19th century.
The "China" comment was in jest: there are differences between the 2 examples and this is understandable, since they are not "mass-produced".
No, repeat: no, I do not think it was made in China.
Mine is very heavy and the blade is strange: when polished, it suggests a " damascus-like" pattern, but nothing obvious is revealed with etching. Perhaps, I am overdoing it? The pattern may be so subtle and small-grained, that my clumsy attempts with very diluted ferric oxide or even vinegar are masking it.
Or, it may just be plain steel...

16th January 2009, 09:28 AM	#1
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	what kind of sword? Hi everyone.This sword is offered for sale. Iron guard with floral designs.Can anyone tell the origin of this sword?Is it Polish or Hungarian or Persian?THanks in advance Attached Images

16th January 2009, 01:29 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	See page 3 of this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=gaddara Astonishing similarity!

16th January 2009, 02:11 PM	#3
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Dear Ariel. Thanks for your reply.The thread was very enlightening.The similarity realy is ashtonishing.The hilt I believe is exactly the same.What about the blade?Does it seems right to you?Because it is more curved than the Irani Gaddara that you have showed.

16th January 2009, 03:12 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It also does not have the etched cartouche. But they are hand-made, not mass-produced in China:-) I'd like to read a discussion!

16th January 2009, 07:27 PM	#5
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	As i see the images again and again I wonder if there is any chance the blade to be an indian blade remounted with that hilt?Can anyone do a suggestion about the age of this sword? Ariel as I read the past threads you said that the Irani Gaddaras that you have see are about 18th & 19th c. Do you believe that the age of this sword is so? Also I am confused as you said that these swords are handmade and not a China production.Do you believe that is recent ? Sorry for so many questions that I make but because I am interested to buy it I want to know if it is a right purchase. Thanks Ilias

17th January 2009, 03:19 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not know the age of this sword. I suspect it to be 18-19th century. The "China" comment was in jest: there are differences between the 2 examples and this is understandable, since they are not "mass-produced". No, repeat: no, I do not think it was made in China. Mine is very heavy and the blade is strange: when polished, it suggests a " damascus-like" pattern, but nothing obvious is revealed with etching. Perhaps, I am overdoing it? The pattern may be so subtle and small-grained, that my clumsy attempts with very diluted ferric oxide or even vinegar are masking it. Or, it may just be plain steel...