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Old 22nd August 2022, 11:07 PM   #1
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Default Swiss lionhead saber with brass covered hilt

It seems I made a little fumble.
I have been putting together a file of images of Spanish late XVIIth to late XVIIIth hilts covered with two brass or silver cylindrical pieces. Sometimes they meet at the middle sometimes they dont. They used the same kind on knifes up to the end of XIXth century
I also remembered a lion head saber, at the Luis Calvo chapter on early Spanish c1700 dragoon swords (bottom right). So called Washington Spanish swords, bottom left.

http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/48-DragS.pdf

So I saw this saber and I won it.

Now I know it is actually a Swiss saber. Spain never had Swiss mercenary cavalry. I still have to research French units in the Spanish sucession war.

Relevant threads:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20946

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27896

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18464
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Old 23rd August 2022, 01:51 AM   #2
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It is a Swiss bear, not a lion. In my opinion and research.
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Old 23rd August 2022, 08:56 AM   #3
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It is a Swiss bear, not a lion. In my opinion and research.
Interesting. It makes sense. I cannot change the title now.

I have been giving a look to
Kriegswesen und Kriegskunst der schweizerischen Eidgenossen- Carl von Elgger

And I only find a citation for cavalry as foreign units were contracted to go with the swiss knechte. I see Swiss cavalry swords do not seem too exceptional, but I do not find the units.

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Old 24th August 2022, 09:27 AM   #4
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Interesting. It makes sense. I cannot change the title now...
We can do that. What title would you like it be ?
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Old 26th August 2022, 07:39 PM   #5
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We can do that. What title would you like it be ?
Felines that are plantigrads or something alike. Not needed really.

The sabre arrived. Very nice, very sharp. I have to decide if I touch the thumbring or it remains that crooked (but safe) way. A plate is missing on the oposite side, possibly brass (see example at the bottom).

Now. I still do not understand how something as minoritary as "Swiss cavalry" has left so many swords behind. If you read battle reports from the period, you have lots of croats everybattle, but no Swiss cavalry.

Searching on the web I almost see an evolution of these swords in XVIIIth century... reaching America!
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Old 27th August 2022, 02:11 AM   #6
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Speaking of Swiss brass hilted sabers and pommels with heads, might as well post this here: this was on auction on catawiki last week. I did not buy it (although I estimate there is an 89.31% chance that it went to someone reading this forum on occasion), but I haven't seen anything too close to it before, so curious as to your thoughts. 87.5cm, sold as " Switzerland. 17/18 century Artistic, private production.".
Not sure if the head is that of a lion (or bear), but otherwise it seemed to fit this thread title too well not to mention it. Hope it's not too off topic.

EDIT: Also, is that thumb ring bent in the saber posted in the OP, or is that some configuration I'm not familiar with?
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