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Old 22nd April 2024, 09:26 PM   #1
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Default Swiss spiked wooden mace , morgenstern , how old ???

Hello dear members,

I collect this long wooden stick- mace in central Switzerland .
Seems authentic not a late repro.
Pretty huge model
The shaft has been carved on a long stock, squared shape ( not 6 or 8 as I saw ) and a long forged spike , on the four sides, one lateral spike is missing and there are worm holes in ( to treat...) especially at the basis so I guess the shaft was longer before...


It seems pretty old, but how can we date it ?

I read that this kind of Morgenstern were peasant swiss weapons starting in 1600 and ending in circa 1900.
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Old 22nd April 2024, 09:29 PM   #2
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Sorry,Better with some pictures
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Old 24th April 2024, 08:33 PM   #3
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Hello,
Many views but no comment,
I add what I found:
The cousin of the morgenstern,
I like the Holy Water sprinkler name !
This one said to be early 16th century,
I like these basic brutal shape
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Old 24th April 2024, 08:38 PM   #4
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For the xl size,
Here a comparison with my indonesian spear.
Sure, not same use , not same people
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Old 27th April 2024, 05:12 PM   #5
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Hello,
Looking through old posts, I found very little about Morgensterns and their wooden spiked cousins.
I present here the Flemish cousin of the Morgenstern named Goedendag or Goedendac, Guten Tag - to say hello to the enemy or good dagger.
Plus a sort of large stick with a spear at the end to counter horsemen and also variant with side point like wooden Morgensterns.
existence since the 13th-14th century and a more massive and shorter handle
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Old 29th April 2024, 05:57 AM   #6
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I've always been drawn to these classic pieces, but confess I know very little. It seems I remember reading that just like the kreigsickel (spelling?), they were very possibly field tools that were refashioned into weapons by the peasantry during rebellions and such. I've also always loved the name 'holy water sprinkler'!! Yeah, I think I'd pass on being blessed by one of these!
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