KUDI FROM MADURA / USED IN ATJEH ?

asomotif · 31st May 2015, 10:40 PM

I bought this well made Kudi togther with some shields from Atjeh.
Which already gave me the idea that this weapon should be placed in Atjeh.

Than I bumped into an old picture of the "Atjeh display" in the old army museum in Delft.

Are their forum members with additional information / similar examples ?

Best regards,
Willem

A. G. Maisey · 1st June 2015, 05:06 AM

In Jawa we would not call this implement a kudi.

If I happened to meet up with it I'd call it an arit, most definitely not a kudi.

However, I have no knowledge of what it may be called in other places.

Sajen · 1st June 2015, 02:06 PM

Hello Willem,

very nice and rare piece. In "Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesian Archipelago" on page 76 it's called "kudi tranchang" and in "Iron Anchestors" on page 159-161 it's called "kudi trantang" but Alan could very well be correct since all shown "kudi" have ornamentation in up of the outer curve. Equal how you would call it, it is very nice, congrats. When you ever get tired of it, you know who will be happy to give it a good home!

Regards,
Detlef

Mytribalworld · 1st June 2015, 09:12 PM

( Jep I suddenly remembered y password !!!) I have always had the idea that Kudi was the name for the heirloom blades that are evoluated from the agricultural tools like the Arit etc.

A. G. Maisey · 1st June 2015, 11:39 PM

yeah, the kudi did develop from an agricultural tool.

this implement under discussion is not a kudi, and its not from jawa or madura, so it may well be known as a kudi tranchang

Amuk Murugul · 2nd June 2015, 11:34 AM

Hullo everybody!

Willem, just to remind you:

- A lot of Madurese were soldiers of the VOC/KNIL. So, not surprising if some traditional Madurese implements ended up in the Atjeh theatre.

- Thus supposing a Madura origin, your implement would be a member of the sickle ( arek/arit ) family. Try looking up info under arek/caluk/carok/clurit ( celurit )/kudi ( monteng ). Then decide for yourself what to call it.

- Looking at your blade, I would be very wary of calling it a 'tranchang' anything.

(BTW .... why didn't you get the sword as well?)

Best,

31st May 2015, 10:40 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	KUDI FROM MADURA / USED IN ATJEH ? I bought this well made Kudi togther with some shields from Atjeh. Which already gave me the idea that this weapon should be placed in Atjeh. Than I bumped into an old picture of the "Atjeh display" in the old army museum in Delft. Are their forum members with additional information / similar examples ? Best regards, Willem Attached Images

1st June 2015, 05:06 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	In Jawa we would not call this implement a kudi. If I happened to meet up with it I'd call it an arit, most definitely not a kudi. However, I have no knowledge of what it may be called in other places.

1st June 2015, 02:06 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	Hello Willem, very nice and rare piece. In "Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesian Archipelago" on page 76 it's called "kudi tranchang" and in "Iron Anchestors" on page 159-161 it's called "kudi trantang" but Alan could very well be correct since all shown "kudi" have ornamentation in up of the outer curve. Equal how you would call it, it is very nice, congrats. When you ever get tired of it, you know who will be happy to give it a good home! Regards, Detlef

1st June 2015, 09:12 PM	#4
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	( Jep I suddenly remembered y password !!!) I have always had the idea that Kudi was the name for the heirloom blades that are evoluated from the agricultural tools like the Arit etc.

1st June 2015, 11:39 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	yeah, the kudi did develop from an agricultural tool. this implement under discussion is not a kudi, and its not from jawa or madura, so it may well be known as a kudi tranchang

2nd June 2015, 11:34 AM	#6
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo everybody! Willem, just to remind you: - A lot of Madurese were soldiers of the VOC/KNIL. So, not surprising if some traditional Madurese implements ended up in the Atjeh theatre. - Thus supposing a Madura origin, your implement would be a member of the sickle ( arek/arit ) family. Try looking up info under arek/caluk/carok/clurit ( celurit )/kudi ( monteng ). Then decide for yourself what to call it. - Looking at your blade, I would be very wary of calling it a 'tranchang' anything. (BTW .... why didn't you get the sword as well?) Best,