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A long time on the want list this one;
I did a while back buy this sword for the collections and I know some of you have viewed it privately as I have not yet added it to my gallery page. My reading points this to be a true Khevsurian sword in Persian style rather than one of the 'Cottage Industry' types often passed off as the real deal. The armourers stamps are to both sides and are similar to those of mid 19th century Georgian smith marks but being aware of the intricacies behind these weapons, there could well be other cutlers who used and or copied these marks. I'd like to share this image now that my new camera has finally arrived. Comments and further directions to the intricacies behind these swords are welcome. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 9th April 2011 at 11:02 AM. |
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Fantastic piece! I for one would love to see closeups up the decorative elements on the scabbard fittings and the cross guard.
I know very little about these swords but have had a passing interest in the Khevsureti ever since I saw the film "The Land of the Lost Crusaders" http://www.gfmstudio.com/productions/lostcrusaders In fact I had hopes to make a trip into the region two years ago, but political events at the time made this less than advisable. I have always found the watch towers and fortresses of this isolated people fascinating. The wikipedia page has some good photographs of these buildings as well as a couple of period photos of Khevsurian warriors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khevsureti Out of interest, would these swords have been manufactured locally? Just hilted locally? I'm rather fuzzy about the sword industry in Georgia as a whole. |
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Very nice piece, but I disagree about its attribution. This is a typical Georgian Khmali, saber, in Persian style. Khevsurian sabers ( palashes) are cruder, their handles are different and brass bands are the must.
There is, indeed, a proliferation of Khevsurian swords on the market, many not fakes, but actually homages, and are honestly signed by the contemporary master, Mr. Kharanauli. |
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So it is the dress the sword is in more than the sword itself that denoted this Khmali attribution Ariel? I ask, as an example, a recent auction had both described within its catalogue. Swords labeled as Khmali that shared by large degree many similar attributes with the hilts of Khevsurian swords. In the same auction a Khevsurian Palashe shared the same but cruder motifs on the guard and suspension fittings as this example does...in simple terms, not clear cut to myself. What should be considered when delving in to this world and seperation of the two labels, or more so identifying the Khmali attribution. You note 'typical' too Ariel, I know it is in reference to styling but how typical are these sabres? I know I do not see swords like the one above very often at all and untouched as found examples even less. Quote:
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Agree with Ariel. This is Georgian saber. Here is another one in Persian shamshir type.
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Thanks Alex, nice to see other varients of Georgian sabres, interesting to note the inclusion of the 'gazelle' on the drag, kinda highlights in a way, one plausible notation the history or the lion/leopard motifs on these swords.
Can you address the division of points asked above in relation to the shared factors on the swords of Khmali and Khevsur design elements in the hilts etc? Do you consider the one you present a trophy or war or a sword of trade decorated in native Georgian fashion? |
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![]() Gav, it is hard to say whether it is "trophy or war or a sword of trade decorated in native Georgian fashion". My opinion is toward the later - the Persian blade is much more likely to be a "trade" object, furnished in local style, by commission/order or to make it more saleable - still a well practiced trade, whereas the "trophies of war" is not as much, thankfully. |
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Here is one below listed at AI as "A RARE KHEVSUR KHMALI SWORD"...why both denominations...covering all bases or am I missing something. Below it is an image of what I believe to be a Khevseur warrior, look close to the sword, it appears to have no bands and be of a Persian form. Explanations please ![]() Last edited by freebooter; 12th April 2011 at 05:23 AM. |
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Have a question, this is a Khevsurian sword? Or does it have another name. Best, Kurt
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I know I am barging in, and I do not want to steal the thunder from Kiziria, but I am just happening to sit in front of the screen:-)
I think that Kurt's saber is not Khevsurian, but Kartli/Kakheti, ie strictly Georgian one. This is with full understanding that Khevsureti is a part of Georgian cultural domain, but has very local flavor due to their geographic isolation and just local peculiarities. BTW, Kiziria may correct me,but I cannot recall any Khevsurian sword with abundance of silver: they were pretty poor, and brass was the usual material, with occasional silver decorations on the handle. Also, and again IMHO, Khevsurian scabbard fittings are never traditional 3-piece beauties, but rather multiple simple brass circular bands. Kiziria, am I far away from the truth? |
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Hi, Kurt ! Thank you for wonderful pictures. Really nice item here.
Ariel pretty much answered to your question so I have nothing to add really. If you make closer shot at stamp we might read it and know the name of the maker, maybe even the year of making. The stamp itself might be from Tbilisi craftsman, cant say for sure based on pictures only. Thank you again! |
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“barging in” is only welcome dear Ariel ! And you are absolutely correct about saber that Kurt displayed, it is definitely not a Khevsurian type but of Kartli/Kaheti region which we can judge by the construction of the handle and niello pattern on the silver plates of scabbard and scabbard itself.
About your question. Nither me nor my colleagues have seen many of silver plated swords from Khevsurety. True that most common type of khevsurian scabbard seen today and well known by collectioners is leather on wood that fortified partially by brass plates. Yet there are few examples that compleately covered in brass ( in this case embellished with chiseling or embossed) or completely covered in silver plate ( in this case embellished with niello ). Ither it could be considered as traditional as other known type of corse remain a question. The oldest example atributed to 1860th or about that time. The silver scabbard and sword that I had displayed on top is one of 2 that belong to Likokeli family from Likokeli glen (Likokis temi in Georgian) and were made by Likokeli masters.( Present owner David Likokeli however does not continue family tradition). Likokelis swords are of special interest because these masters had kept distinct style for blade making as well as for pattern motives on silver. I will find and post later an axample of their signature blade, which might be helpful for attribution. There are other fully clad in silver or brass scabbards that could be attributed to works of other old smith families that claimed its authorship namely Arabuli, Mindikauri or Chincharauli , but work of establishing it is not finished, because those items are not in Khevsurety but in provide collections. Hopefully in the end we will be able to say exactly which work is done by what master. So far there only 9 such swords are located. It is a really small number but we hope to locate more. They probably were never produced in big numbers partly due to the fact that not every one could afford it. Also it had been suggested by a collegue that silver wears quikly against chainmail shirt so silver plated scabbards probably never could become a common choice. ( arguable in my opinion) I would add also that khevsur type swords – palashes and sabers never being demanded outside the Khevsurety unlike another type known as Caucasian shashka that was prodused in great numbers so we find nowadays so many great examples of such work. Last edited by Kiziria; 22nd July 2012 at 02:56 AM. |
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Hello Jim! Glad to hear from you.
There are enough of both types of pictures ,those that were staged at the studio or even outside and those that had been taken in real locations. Each year more pictures surface up from various sources –local museums, family archives. There yet more information to uncover. I always keep my eyes open ![]() Interesting psychological study of the time ha ha ha ![]() |
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Guess you're right with Tbilisi. Best Kurt |
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