My second bugis. Options on this one please

Patje1970 · 7th June 2019, 07:28 PM

Hi all,

Bought my second bugis. I like the pamor. Seems a 9 luk if I look correct.
Pamor ? a mixed one? I have no idea how old this keris is

regards Pat

Patje1970 · 7th June 2019, 07:36 PM

And some more pictures

Jean · 7th June 2019, 09:55 PM

The blade with 9 shallow waves looks old but not Bugis IMO, but maybe from West Java?
Regards

Patje1970 · 7th June 2019, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

The blade with 9 shallow waves looks old but not Bugis IMO, but maybe from West Java?
Regards

Hi Jean,

Can you explain why it not Bugis? I though it is a Bugis because of the urikan style

regards Pat

A. G. Maisey · 7th June 2019, 11:34 PM

Yes, definitely not a Bugis blade, and very probably West Jawa.

Jean spoke first, so I'll leave the explanation to him.

Patje1970 · 8th June 2019, 07:43 AM

thanks for the information, about the region of the urikan Sulawesi ?

About the blade, what pamor is this? I asume some kind of Wos Wutah at the base. Further on the blade something else.

regards Pat

Jean · 9th June 2019, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patje1970

Hi Jean,

Can you explain why it not Bugis? I though it is a Bugis because of the urikan style

regards Pat

Hello Pat,
What do you mean by urikan, is it ukiran (hilt)? IMO this blade is not Bugis for the following reasons (among others):
. The dapur with the shallow and uneven waves and the slim shape is not Bugis but rather typical of West Java.
. The pamor pattern is not typically Bugis.
. The shape of the gonjo, pejetan, and greneng is not Bugis.
Please see a similar blade on pic 1.4.69 in my kris book if you have it.
Regards

Jean · 9th June 2019, 12:49 PM

My similar blade for reference, regards.

Patje1970 · 9th June 2019, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Pat,
What do you mean by urikan, is it ukiran (hilt)? IMO this blade is not Bugis for the following reasons (among others):
. The dapur with the shallow and uneven waves and the slim shape is not Bugis but rather typical of West Java.
. The pamor pattern is not typically Bugis.
. The shape of the gonjo, pejetan, and greneng is not Bugis.
Please see a similar blade on pic 1.4.69 in my kris book if you have it.
Regards

Hi Jean, I was meaning ukiran. thank you for all the info. I will look in Holland for your book. already found an other book from you at the museum in Leiden (THE KRIS A PASSION FROM INDONESIA (188 pages, 2008)

regards Pat

7th June 2019, 07:28 PM	#1
Patje1970 Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 51	My second bugis. Options on this one please Hi all, Bought my second bugis. I like the pamor. Seems a 9 luk if I look correct. Pamor ? a mixed one? I have no idea how old this keris is regards Pat Attached Images Last edited by Patje1970; 7th June 2019 at 07:43 PM. Reason: correcting title

7th June 2019, 07:36 PM	#2
Patje1970 Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 51	And some more pictures Attached Images

8th June 2019, 07:43 AM	#6
Patje1970 Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 51	thanks for the information, about the region of the urikan Sulawesi ? About the blade, what pamor is this? I asume some kind of Wos Wutah at the base. Further on the blade something else. regards Pat Attached Images

9th June 2019, 12:49 PM	#8
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	My similar blade for reference, regards. Attached Images

7th June 2019, 09:55 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	The blade with 9 shallow waves looks old but not Bugis IMO, but maybe from West Java? Regards

7th June 2019, 11:34 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Yes, definitely not a Bugis blade, and very probably West Jawa. Jean spoke first, so I'll leave the explanation to him.