Execution sword ???

Cotoroanta · 30th December 2023, 09:16 PM

Hello and respect for all members. I need a little help for an identification of this blade. Has an unusual shape, and also an interesting mark on the blade ET VERBVUM CARO FACTVM EST and a sugestive image of an execution. The handle I think it was change many years ago. Thank you in advance for any information.

Interested Party · 31st December 2023, 01:54 PM

The blade reminds me of a hay knife. Not that it is or rather was, just the steps are similar.

fernando · 31st December 2023, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party

The blade reminds me of a hay knife. Not that it is or rather was, just the steps are similar.

Ditto !

Gavin Nugent · 1st January 2024, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Ditto !

Another for the EU or Miscellaneous forum.

fernando · 1st January 2024, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Another for the EU or Miscellaneous forum.

Yes; Miscellania forum will be its place. This will join the one i once had, in its complete configuration, which i (also) didn't know what its purpose was.

Jim McDougall · 2nd January 2024, 07:03 PM

Gotta say, this one is REALLY creative! though its grim intent. The inscribed 'scene' is well done from some notable resource, reminds me a bit of Wagner (1967) in a similar illustration. Would never have thought of a hay cutting tool.

milandro · 31st December 2023, 02:02 PM

I am sorry to say but this screams " modern fantasy weapon" , at least, to me.

the motto is also a well known one

it means the " word" (of G-D) has become flesh

a quick search reveals a few supposed execution sword , very different from your example, which are supposedly dated 17th century,i have my doubts on those too but at the very least those weapons look like the accepted version of an execution sword (a sharp and long edge sword with a rounded, not sharp, tip).

I invite you to reflect upon the fact that if anything NO execution blade could ever have a jagged edge ( at least not in the ancient act of justice) because it would be an effective weapon for a short, swift cut.

Similarly, this blade is far too short to have ever been used for a swift cut, for the same reason these blade (the real ones are extremely rare) would need to be long to create the necessary momentum.

I am absolutely convinced the example above is a modern blade

IT may be, as suggested a repurposed agricultural tool, but the addition of the motto is certainly done with the intent to deceive

Ian · 31st December 2023, 02:18 PM

Hi Cotoroanta,

Welcome to the Forum!

Your item looks to have a very heavy blade, crudely/poorly forged, and I doubt that the blade is very sharp. I agree with IP that it resembles a hay knife.

As far as an instrument for execution, it would be necessary to bludgeon someone to death with it. Neither the point or the edge are likely to fatally wound a person unless used with extreme force. That large hilt has a nice piece of crown stag antler. The D-guard is superfluous for an execution item.

30th December 2023, 09:16 PM	#1
Cotoroanta Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Posts: 23	Execution sword ??? Hello and respect for all members. I need a little help for an identification of this blade. Has an unusual shape, and also an interesting mark on the blade ET VERBVUM CARO FACTVM EST and a sugestive image of an execution. The handle I think it was change many years ago. Thank you in advance for any information. Attached Images

31st December 2023, 02:02 PM	#7
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 475	I am sorry to say but this screams " modern fantasy weapon" , at least, to me. the motto is also a well known one it means the " word" (of G-D) has become flesh a quick search reveals a few supposed execution sword , very different from your example, which are supposedly dated 17th century,i have my doubts on those too but at the very least those weapons look like the accepted version of an execution sword (a sharp and long edge sword with a rounded, not sharp, tip). I invite you to reflect upon the fact that if anything NO execution blade could ever have a jagged edge ( at least not in the ancient act of justice) because it would be an effective weapon for a short, swift cut. Similarly, this blade is far too short to have ever been used for a swift cut, for the same reason these blade (the real ones are extremely rare) would need to be long to create the necessary momentum. I am absolutely convinced the example above is a modern blade IT may be, as suggested a repurposed agricultural tool, but the addition of the motto is certainly done with the intent to deceive Last edited by milandro; 31st December 2023 at 02:43 PM.

31st December 2023, 01:54 PM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 467	The blade reminds me of a hay knife. Not that it is or rather was, just the steps are similar.

2nd January 2024, 07:03 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	Gotta say, this one is REALLY creative! though its grim intent. The inscribed 'scene' is well done from some notable resource, reminds me a bit of Wagner (1967) in a similar illustration. Would never have thought of a hay cutting tool.

31st December 2023, 02:18 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Hi Cotoroanta, Welcome to the Forum! Your item looks to have a very heavy blade, crudely/poorly forged, and I doubt that the blade is very sharp. I agree with IP that it resembles a hay knife. As far as an instrument for execution, it would be necessary to bludgeon someone to death with it. Neither the point or the edge are likely to fatally wound a person unless used with extreme force. That large hilt has a nice piece of crown stag antler. The D-guard is superfluous for an execution item.