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12th July 2022, 11:36 PM | #1 |
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18th century musket for identification
This has been in the family in NY state for generations. The gunsmith is believed to be from the Netherlands by the signed name Corbau Mastrich, believed to be the son of Godefroid Corbeau. They were gunsmiths in the early to mid 1700’s in Holland- Netherlands. I’m looking for verification. The musket came to the USA and was used in the civil war. Thanks for any help
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13th July 2022, 10:29 AM | #2 |
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The Corbau family, actually Corbeau, comes from Maastricht, the Netherlands and was well known for manufacturing guns, rifles and pistols to the “Staten van Holland” ,i.e. the Dutch Republic in the 16 th century. And one of the world biggest exporters...
Arms were marked with "Corbeau à Maastricht". First mention Godefroi Corbeau (senior) gunmaker, became with his son a citizen of Maastricht , and member of the blacksmithguild in 12 juni 1717. Born date unknown, died 1760. The son is Franciscus Josephus Corbeau born around 1749, died in Valkenburg 20 December 1812 “ Corbau (a) Mastrich “ is one of the many fancy ways of names written…but do not worry ! Yours is a real one Congratulations on this most beautiful historical piece. At that time the region of Limburg and Wallonia in the Low Countries ( presently the Netherlands and Belgium) between Maastricht and Liege were big and well known for their gun, rifle and pistol manufacturing: many were exported worldwide and specially to the American Civil War. There were many companies here in the Low Countries between Maastricht and Liege: starting from small companies, which mergered through the centuries and with presently only FN in Herstal Belgium as single survivor. https://fnherstal.com/en/ During that period US pistolmakers f.i. licenced these companies to manufacture on their behalf, based upon the craftmanship and quality. Or these companies simply penetrated the US market: like S&W the Bulldogs; "Patents" applied for in the U.S.A. by Belgian gunmakers from Liege and they were "Approved" by the patent office. So quite some interaction indeed. Back to Maastricht.... Many family names like Jean Aerts, Corbeau, De La Haye, Keunings, Kitzen, Krans, Stevens and Beaumont from Maastricht were involved and well known for their arms. Additional: I found some Dutch publications which mentioned that some arms made between 1700-1750 were refurbished in 1800 -1850 and written : Carbau (a) Ma(a)strich or CORBAV.LE.IEVNE ( Corbau le Jeune = Corbeau Jr....thus the son Frans-Joseph) FYI: The famous Jamous Cook had a Carbeau pistol…sold for $227,000 at auction in 2013 a link to a museum with a similar rifle: https://emuseum.history.org/objects/...south-carolina have a look at the details by clicking on the pics and do compare it with yours ! I am sure a smile will come on your face ! ☼ enclosed a picture of a rifle by Stevens of Maastricht with regards to the US Civil War Era Last edited by gp; 13th July 2022 at 02:11 PM. |
14th July 2022, 01:40 AM | #3 |
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Thank you very much for this information. Would the marking make this a refurbished musket from the 1800’s rather than an original from the 1700’s. Do you know where I might be able to clarify. This information is wonderful to share with my son and grandson when I present it to them this summer. Any additional information would be much appreciated. Thanks again
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14th July 2022, 01:48 AM | #4 |
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I didn’t show that the musket has a saber that can be attached. I read some where that those with sabers were order in 1747
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14th July 2022, 03:05 AM | #5 |
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As a flintlock, I would suspect this musket would more likely be associated with the American Revolutionary War than the Civil War.
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14th July 2022, 10:34 AM | #6 |
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This gun has certainly absolutely nothing to do with the American Civil War. It is - or better - it was a Netherlands infantry gun M 1798, normally manufactured at the Kulembourg factory under David Martitz but also at some Dutch provincial gunmakers. The cock is a false replacement as is the front ring made of iron.
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14th July 2022, 12:53 PM | #7 |
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There was a significant Dutch presence in 18th century and earlier New York, so this could be a long used and 'irregularly' repaired musket originally of Dutch origin. If it indeed has been in your family for many generations, then I'd accept these were functional repairs in the working 'life' of the musket. (Had it come recently from a gun show, then much closer inspection would be needed to exclude the possibility of a recent assemblage from various parts.)
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14th July 2022, 06:25 PM | #8 |
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Hi,
I would contact the Dutch Army Museum. I did so with regard to this musket http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=M1815 and found them very helpful. See the last post in the thread. Regards, Norman. |
15th July 2022, 11:17 PM | #9 |
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Thank you Norm. I was able to find on line the Dutch army Museum and that Matthieu Willemsen is still listed as the fire arm curator. How were you able to communicate with him? Thanks
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Hi, I just e-mailed my questions as I see you've done. Hopefully you'll get an answer soon with interesting info. Good luck. Regards, Norman. |
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19th July 2022, 05:03 PM | #11 |
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I am discussing the musket with Matthieu Willemsen. He believes the musket belonged to Colonel Hendrix Ruysch who had a regiment in the Dutch army between 1748 and 1765. I sent more photos
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Interesting information already and hopefully more to come. Regards, Norman. |
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15th July 2022, 11:37 PM | #13 |
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I played around and from in the upper right hand corner of the web site you can change the language to English and I wrote them with my question. Thank you very much. Hopefully they will reply
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