Sabre ?

Rick · 26th May 2012, 12:53 AM

This is a big one .
Scabbard is metal, no real Maker's marks, no wood liner; just a funny looking number ? on each side of the blade at the forte; one looks kind of like a 2 and the other like a 6 .
Wood carved handle with leather and wire .

Any ideas at all ??

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2012, 02:58 AM

Virginia Manufactory sabre type 2 (1803-20)
These were often shortened for Confederate use in Civil War.

Rick · 26th May 2012, 03:45 AM

Holy Cannolli !!
Mi Amigo paid $35.00 for it !

Can't wait to tell him .

These are rare, Jim ?

Just looked it up in Albaugh .
Great eye, Jim !!

Way to go .

M ELEY · 26th May 2012, 05:07 AM

$35.oo!!! Must be nice! Beaut of a sword. The slotted side guard reminds me of the American naval cutlass of the same period with slotting to side guard.

Ahhh, yes. Jim does have a very good eye!

Mark

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2012, 05:44 AM

Thanks very much guys

I knew this one right off because back in my collecting days I really wanted one, always thought they were pretty nice and loved the parabolic blade.
There was a great book, "The Virginia Manufactory of Arms" by Giles Cromwell as I recall, its been quite a few years.
These are pretty scarce, woth pretty good $$ though I think some repros out there....Stuart Mobray, the editor of "Man at Arms" magazine is the guy to talk to.....he likes these and Starr sabres.
Jim

Rick · 26th May 2012, 06:25 AM

Well, I was wondering about repro, actually .

The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? .

One hell of a distressing job if it is a repro; layers of rust .

The blade has great flex ....

[edit] If this sword is the real thing it was made between 1806 and 1808 .

Jim, this sword is huge; you need a quarter acre just to swing it . LOLZ !

Norman McCormick · 27th May 2012, 01:10 PM

Here's another lucky "Bustard".

Jim McDougall · 27th May 2012, 09:23 PM

Good one Norman

!!
Arr Rick!!! Getting closer to the pirate coast,
Mark, does grog come in a sixpack?

M ELEY · 27th May 2012, 11:18 PM

That it does, Jim, that it does!!!

Lucky bustard!!! Too funny!

$35...I still can't get over that one!

Rick, I'm not one for much cleaning/polishing, but the hilt looks like it does have a little active rust. Perhaps a mild polish with 600 grit sandpaper/motor oil or olive oil just to prevent any future break-down?

fernando · 27th May 2012, 11:43 PM

Just two things Rick ...
1 - This you can call a bargain, not other things ... if you know what i mean

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2 - You should tell the owner this sabre is crap, do him the favour to buy it for the 35 bucks he has spend and bring it to your collection ... or mine

All said

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Rick · 28th May 2012, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M ELEY

That it does, Jim, that it does!!!

Lucky bustard!!! Too funny!

$35...I still can't get over that one!

Rick, I'm not one for much cleaning/polishing, but the hilt looks like it does have a little active rust. Perhaps a mild polish with 600 grit sandpaper/motor oil or olive oil just to prevent any future break-down?

You know, I would suggest that but I'm afraid he'll mess it up; which is why I didn't .

Maybe I will offer to do this; just to handle it again .

The scabbard seemed to have been japanned black from what remains of the finish . It is badly rusted .

" To err is human,
To arr is pirate."

Emanuel · 28th May 2012, 07:16 AM

VM Type 2 is it?

Well then, another entry on the "must-get" list

Lovely curve, brings to mind the more extreme gurade.

fernando · 27th May 2012, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Here's another lucky "Bustard".

Very nice joke ... from an imaginative Scot

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Pity you can't make this trick in my language.
But let me teach you: the term is "Abetarda"

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Learn until you die

26th May 2012, 12:53 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Sabre ? This is a big one . Scabbard is metal, no real Maker's marks, no wood liner; just a funny looking number ? on each side of the blade at the forte; one looks kind of like a 2 and the other like a 6 . Wood carved handle with leather and wire . Any ideas at all ?? Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2012 at 01:08 AM.

26th May 2012, 03:45 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Holy Cannolli !! Mi Amigo paid $35.00 for it ! Can't wait to tell him . These are rare, Jim ? Just looked it up in Albaugh . Great eye, Jim !! Way to go . Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2012 at 04:28 AM.

26th May 2012, 06:25 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Well, I was wondering about repro, actually . The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? . One hell of a distressing job if it is a repro; layers of rust . The blade has great flex .... [edit] If this sword is the real thing it was made between 1806 and 1808 . Jim, this sword is huge; you need a quarter acre just to swing it . LOLZ ! Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2012 at 07:21 AM.

27th May 2012, 01:10 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,597	Here's another lucky "Bustard". Attached Images

27th May 2012, 09:23 PM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,949	Good one Norman!! Arr Rick!!! Getting closer to the pirate coast, Mark, does grog come in a sixpack?

26th May 2012, 02:58 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,949	Virginia Manufactory sabre type 2 (1803-20) These were often shortened for Confederate use in Civil War.

26th May 2012, 05:07 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	$35.oo!!! Must be nice! Beaut of a sword. The slotted side guard reminds me of the American naval cutlass of the same period with slotting to side guard. Ahhh, yes. Jim does have a very good eye! Mark

26th May 2012, 05:44 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,949	Thanks very much guys I knew this one right off because back in my collecting days I really wanted one, always thought they were pretty nice and loved the parabolic blade. There was a great book, "The Virginia Manufactory of Arms" by Giles Cromwell as I recall, its been quite a few years. These are pretty scarce, woth pretty good $$ though I think some repros out there....Stuart Mobray, the editor of "Man at Arms" magazine is the guy to talk to.....he likes these and Starr sabres. Jim

27th May 2012, 11:18 PM	#9
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	That it does, Jim, that it does!!! Lucky bustard!!! Too funny! $35...I still can't get over that one! Rick, I'm not one for much cleaning/polishing, but the hilt looks like it does have a little active rust. Perhaps a mild polish with 600 grit sandpaper/motor oil or olive oil just to prevent any future break-down?

27th May 2012, 11:43 PM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Just two things Rick ... 1 - This you can call a bargain, not other things ... if you know what i mean . 2 - You should tell the owner this sabre is crap, do him the favour to buy it for the 35 bucks he has spend and bring it to your collection ... or mine All said .

28th May 2012, 07:16 AM	#12
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	VM Type 2 is it? Well then, another entry on the "must-get" list Lovely curve, brings to mind the more extreme gurade.