Kris Handle and Lion Scabbard

templarnight · 14th November 2011, 12:17 PM

Hello.
I have these two Mounts from a Kris. They are beautifully carved.
Were they from the same weapon?
Can anyone tell me more about where these cae from, their age?
I have never seen the Lion before so would love to know more.
Many thanks

Rick · 14th November 2011, 04:13 PM

These are both Madura work .
The handle is in a helmetform style .
The wrongko is a popular form; both, IMO show Dutch influence .

templarnight · 14th November 2011, 04:16 PM

Do you think they come from the same Kris?

Rick · 14th November 2011, 04:28 PM

If they were purchased together then there is a good chance they are .

Both forms are fairly common .

A. G. Maisey · 14th November 2011, 06:52 PM

Rick, I don't consider the lion wrongko form to be all that common. Yes, we've seen a few put up here over time, but prior to the internet revolution, the average western collector would have killed to get his hands on a lion wrongko. In my entire collecting life I've seen no more than half a dozen or so old lion form wrongkos. Bearing in mind the number of keris I routinely handle, half a dozen of anything is a very small number of examples.

asomotif · 14th November 2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

In my entire collecting life I've seen no more than half a dozen or so old lion form wrongkos.

Dear Alan,
How old do you estimate this wrongko to be ?

In the Netherlands we see this shape quite often.
But often they are of lesser quality and most of them appear to be vet.bring back keris post WW 2

Best regards,
Willem

Ps. nice ukiran and wrongko. I would guess them to be a set as they have similar patina.

kai · 15th November 2011, 09:30 AM

Hello Alan,

Quote:

I don't consider the lion wrongko form to be all that common. Yes, we've seen a few put up here over time, but prior to the internet revolution, the average western collector would have killed to get his hands on a lion wrongko. In my entire collecting life I've seen no more than half a dozen or so old lion form wrongkos. Bearing in mind the number of keris I routinely handle, half a dozen of anything is a very small number of examples.

In the Netherlands, this wronko style is certainly not rare - I guess I see a pre-WW2 example every month or two (and that is without being able to visit local flea markets); many are of lesser quality though.

Regards,
Kai

Marcokeris · 14th November 2011, 06:56 PM

They seem old with nice patina

Sajen · 14th November 2011, 08:34 PM

Hello,

since I think that is your first post here: Welcome!

I think that your handle and wrongko are old and belong most proable together, it seems that both carved from the same wood. Also when it is not the finest carving I have seen is it a good acquisition. I am with Alan; I as well have only seen a few lion wrongkos which have been old and even if I don't would have killed to get one I would be glad to get an old one.

Regards,

Detlef

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templarnight Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 87	Kris Handle and Lion Scabbard Hello. I have these two Mounts from a Kris. They are beautifully carved. Were they from the same weapon? Can anyone tell me more about where these cae from, their age? I have never seen the Lion before so would love to know more. Many thanks Attached Images

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	These are both Madura work . The handle is in a helmetform style . The wrongko is a popular form; both, IMO show Dutch influence .

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templarnight Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 87	Do you think they come from the same Kris?

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	If they were purchased together then there is a good chance they are . Both forms are fairly common .

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A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Rick, I don't consider the lion wrongko form to be all that common. Yes, we've seen a few put up here over time, but prior to the internet revolution, the average western collector would have killed to get his hands on a lion wrongko. In my entire collecting life I've seen no more than half a dozen or so old lion form wrongkos. Bearing in mind the number of keris I routinely handle, half a dozen of anything is a very small number of examples.

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	They seem old with nice patina

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello, since I think that is your first post here: Welcome! I think that your handle and wrongko are old and belong most proable together, it seems that both carved from the same wood. Also when it is not the finest carving I have seen is it a good acquisition. I am with Alan; I as well have only seen a few lion wrongkos which have been old and even if I don't would have killed to get one I would be glad to get an old one. Regards, Detlef