Identification of mysterious Firangi/Saif Indian Sword

[NavdeepBal]

I acquired this sword about 2 or 3 years ago. When I bought the sword I was told it is a Saif. But the blade seems european so I believe it may be a Firangi. I was reading up on Firangis, and i read that the earlier Firangis were european blades mounted on tulwar hilts, and later on the basket hilt Firangis came. I would appreciate if someone could offer some info on this sword. Thanks!

[ariel]

Saif is an Arabic word, meaning a generic sword. So, if the original owner was an Arab, that’s how he would call it.
Firangi is a word meaning “ foreigner, European” ( Franks). Originally it was used in South India, mainly for Portugese blades ( the first Europeans arriving in India and carrying their straight rapiers).
As it spread further, it entered Marathi and Mughal domains. For them, these long ( up to 4 feet) straight swords with local handles were a mark of authority. The blades ( imported or local) were mounted on local handles. Marathas called them Dhup, and Mughals Asa Shamshir ( asa in Arabic is staff).

So, depending on the locality, time of manufacture and the ethnicity of owner one can choose any name.

Of course, yours might have been remounted several times ( I suspect it is the case) and the blade might have been shortened and/or polished repeatedly up to the loss of any markings, so any or all of the above hints might have disappeared. Such is the nature of age and ageing....


Generically, it would be safe to call it Firangi to cover all bases.
Yes, I know, it is a name game, but names tell us a lot about history and are often useful.

[NavdeepBal]

Originally Posted by ariel

Saif is an Arabic word, meaning a generic sword. So, if the original owner was an Arab, that’s how he would call it.
Firangi is a word meaning “ foreigner, European” ( Franks). Originally it was used in South India, mainly for Portugese blades ( the first Europeans arriving in India and carrying their straight rapiers).
As it spread further, it entered Marathi and Mughal domains. For them, these long ( up to 4 feet) straight swords with local handles were a mark of authority. The blades ( imported or local) were mounted on local handles. Marathas called them Dhup, and Mughals Asa Shamshir ( asa in Arabic is staff).

So, depending on the locality, time of manufacture and the ethnicity of owner one can choose any name.

Of course, yours might have been remounted several times ( I suspect it is the case) and the blade might have been shortened and/or polished repeatedly up to the loss of any markings, so any or all of the above hints might have disappeared. Such is the nature of age and ageing....


Generically, it would be safe to call it Firangi to cover all bases.
Yes, I know, it is a name game, but names tell us a lot about history and are often useful.

Thank you. But the blade interests me too. It looks odd for the time period. It loks more lik a longsword blade than a typical european blade of the 18th century.

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
I have a sword which appears to be somewhat similar to yours and the blade is, as far as I can determine, locally made in India and not a repurposed European blade. Can you specify whether you have a backsword (sharp on one edge only) or a broadsword (sharp on both edges) blade on your sword and whether the blade has a good flex. You may have a sword which is described as a Sukhela although this terminology can be somewhat vague.
Regards,
Norman.

[NavdeepBal]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
I have a sword which appears to be somewhat similar to yours and the blade is, as far as I can determine, locally made in India and not a repurposed European blade. Can you specify whether you have a backsword (sharp on one edge only) or a broadsword (sharp on both edges) blade on your sword and whether the blade has a good flex. You may have a sword which is described as a Sukhela although this terminology can be somewhat vague.
Regards,
Norman.

The blade is sharp on only one edge and is Kamani not Skela. The blade is also more flexible than my most other indian swords.

[olikara]

Originally Posted by NavdeepBal

The blade is sharp on only one edge and is Kamani not Skela. The blade is also more flexible than my most other indian swords.

Apologies for the diversion but what is a Kamani?