ID SABER PLEASE

aspalathos · 3rd December 2022, 03:35 PM

Hello ,need some info for this saber. Husar?

Will M · 3rd December 2022, 04:29 PM

Morphy auctions has a very similar sword described as American

Jim McDougall · 3rd December 2022, 05:00 PM

I would be inclined to go with what Will noted, as the elements of this hilt correspond loosely with European hussar sabers, but seem more rudimentary.
American sword cutlers were producing swords that were basically copies of European forms in the colonies much as British makers were.
I think a check through Neumann (1973) might be helpful.

aspalathos · 5th December 2022, 04:53 PM

How old can it be ?

Jim McDougall · 5th December 2022, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aspalathos

How old can it be ?

Probably 1770s to 80s, some European examples of these stirrup hilt sabers (with knuckle guard) are earlier but with the look of this, especially the flat pommel cap, likely in this period.

These are British M1788 sabers.

Dmitry · 5th December 2022, 06:33 PM

What Jim showed, the British 1788 Pattern Light Cavalry sabre is probably the most frequently-seen example of what I call the "Hussar hilt" sabers. Without the surviving markings they are tough to id 100%, unless an identical marked example surfaces. I have a vaguely-similarly-hilted one in my collection, lack of langets aside...they are, for the lack of better words, cool!

3rd December 2022, 03:35 PM	#1
aspalathos Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 97	ID SABER PLEASE Hello ,need some info for this saber. Husar? Attached Images

5th December 2022, 06:33 PM	#6
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	What Jim showed, the British 1788 Pattern Light Cavalry sabre is probably the most frequently-seen example of what I call the "Hussar hilt" sabers. Without the surviving markings they are tough to id 100%, unless an identical marked example surfaces. I have a vaguely-similarly-hilted one in my collection, lack of langets aside...they are, for the lack of better words, cool! Attached Images

3rd December 2022, 04:29 PM	#2
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	Morphy auctions has a very similar sword described as American

3rd December 2022, 05:00 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	I would be inclined to go with what Will noted, as the elements of this hilt correspond loosely with European hussar sabers, but seem more rudimentary. American sword cutlers were producing swords that were basically copies of European forms in the colonies much as British makers were. I think a check through Neumann (1973) might be helpful.

5th December 2022, 04:53 PM	#4
aspalathos Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 97	How old can it be ?