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Old 6th May 2024, 04:59 PM   #1
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Would appreciate any comments on this piece in my collection. I wonder if it started out as a pipe tomahawk, bowl was removed and spike welding on.

Vargo's Book "The Spike Tomahawk" shows a nearly similar example on p. 76, found in NY.

My piece is 8 inches (head) and weights 15 oz. Hand forged and spike is blunted. I made the haft.

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Old 6th May 2024, 11:20 PM   #2
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I hope you haven't paid any money for it!

It's an abomination made by a layman who started electro welding!
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Old 7th May 2024, 12:57 AM   #3
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I assume that you have reviewed Jack Vargo's book "The Spike Tomahawk" to elicit such an austere comment?
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Old 7th May 2024, 01:06 AM   #4
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Here is a very good axe identification website.
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Old 7th May 2024, 05:19 AM   #5
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Gentlemen, please look what we have here, it's an unprofessional electro welded monstrum, sorry!!
Look at the pic and the marked pearls from elektro welding.
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Old 7th May 2024, 06:25 AM   #6
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And here it's made longer, also with electro welding.
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Old 7th May 2024, 12:34 PM   #7
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I assume that you have reviewed Jack Vargo's book "The Spike Tomahawk" to elicit such an austere comment?
Dear Mgolab,

I don't need to have read books to judge what I see in your pictures as it is more than obvious that the piece is welded together. I am a mechanical engineer and did a lot of welding in my younger years, the beads/pearls I marked are only created by modern electro welding. The second mark is also more than obvious.
I don't know that modern electro welding was already common at the time where you think the piece was created.
Everybody who has only a little bit understanding about forging and welding will see directly that this axe head is a unprofessional modified modern axe head, sorry.

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Old 7th May 2024, 02:15 PM   #8
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See here what I am speaking of, it's the same what we see in my pic in post #5.
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Old 7th May 2024, 06:45 PM   #9
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Detlef the first weld from #8 is beautiful. I strive to make those beautiful swirls on my welds. And yes, by all visible signs the OP is stick welded. My main question has been what did the socket start life as? Maybe a small mattock? That would naturally have a lug to weld the blade to, but it seems reshaping an ax blade on a mattock would be easier than the welding process. so maybe some sort of pipe?
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