Teutonic bollock

Cotoroanta · 31st December 2023, 04:24 PM

Hello please I need a little help with this dagger that I think is from teutonic order but I don’t know how old it may be. The mark is MCXC also down mark of a lily and in a triangle the letters H and W

Battara · 1st January 2024, 03:34 AM

Nice and interesting bollock dagger.

I'm moving this to the European Section.

fernando · 1st January 2024, 11:36 AM

Cotoroanta, by knowing that this is a Teutonic knife, you are obviously aware that the letters MCXC are the Roman numerals for 1190, the date the Order was founded. Perhaps the letters in the triangle, H W, would show a third one, such being a H, thus representing the Order motto: "Helfen, Wehren, Heilen" (Help, Defend, Heal).
As for the age of your example, hopefully knowledgeable members show up to say a word on it, but my modest impression is that this is a rather modern piece.

Jim McDougall · 1st January 2024, 03:15 PM

More knowledgeable Fernando??? You hit that spot on with reference to this Teutonic association to this order.
More modern seems quite likely, but it seems probably 19th c. or perhaps into very early 20th and possibly with the fraternal orders that traditionally are associated in these networks.

What I find especially intriguing is the unusual blade shape (carps tongue?) and its significance.

fernando · 3rd January 2024, 02:51 PM

Threads closed in view of author's attempt to enquire on countless pieces still in active commercial venues.

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31st December 2023, 04:24 PM	#1
Cotoroanta Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Posts: 23	Teutonic bollock Hello please I need a little help with this dagger that I think is from teutonic order but I don’t know how old it may be. The mark is MCXC also down mark of a lily and in a triangle the letters H and W Attached Images

3rd January 2024, 02:51 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Threads closed in view of author's attempt to enquire on countless pieces still in active commercial venues. . Last edited by fernando; 3rd January 2024 at 05:59 PM.

1st January 2024, 03:34 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Nice and interesting bollock dagger. I'm moving this to the European Section.

1st January 2024, 11:36 AM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Cotoroanta, by knowing that this is a Teutonic knife, you are obviously aware that the letters MCXC are the Roman numerals for 1190, the date the Order was founded. Perhaps the letters in the triangle, H W, would show a third one, such being a H, thus representing the Order motto: "Helfen, Wehren, Heilen" (Help, Defend, Heal). As for the age of your example, hopefully knowledgeable members show up to say a word on it, but my modest impression is that this is a rather modern piece.

1st January 2024, 03:15 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,946	More knowledgeable Fernando??? You hit that spot on with reference to this Teutonic association to this order. More modern seems quite likely, but it seems probably 19th c. or perhaps into very early 20th and possibly with the fraternal orders that traditionally are associated in these networks. What I find especially intriguing is the unusual blade shape (carps tongue?) and its significance.