new from the philippines!

themorningstar · 8th January 2005, 04:02 AM

thought i would share a picture w/ everybody some brand new made swords from the p.i., any thoughts or opinions anyone?
-style

LabanTayo · 8th January 2005, 05:10 AM

nice swords.
sansibars, ginungtings, talibongs, pinutes, espadings. hell, you got everything.
nice work......

ariel · 8th January 2005, 04:39 PM

Well, well, well...
Once again we get this mumbo-jumbo from Kansas...(LOL)
When are we going to get a promised definition of these names ?

themorningstar · 8th January 2005, 07:53 PM

thanks labantayo, if possible, let zel know that a negros talibong like in the picture(a little shorter though) will be sent to him soon for evaluation

LabanTayo · 9th January 2005, 05:16 AM

ariel,
its a coming, just be patient.

morningstar,
cant wait to see it. when can we get ours for keeps?
i really like the cebuano (#4) ginungting and (#2) talibong.

Ferguson · 9th January 2005, 02:19 PM

Wow, I like those.

Steve

themorningstar · 9th January 2005, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabanTayo

ariel,
its a coming, just be patient.

morningstar,
cant wait to see it. when can we get ours for keeps?
i really like the cebuano (#4) ginungting and (#2) talibong.

actually labantayo, number 2 and 4 are from negros and made in negros.

zelbone · 11th January 2005, 01:04 AM

Yo Style,
Can't wait to try the talibong

!!! Shelley and I will definately put it to the test and let you know what we think! Thanks again, bro!

Ariel,
Don't feel to bad...no mumbo-jumbo here...even Shelley and I get confused with these names.

Zel

themorningstar · 11th January 2005, 03:47 AM

hey zel, no problem at all, matter of fact when all is done, you guys can keep it, only problem is-i'm only sending one, so you and labantayo are gonna have to fight over it, lolz.. enjoy! it'll be sent out this week hopefully

nechesh · 11th January 2005, 03:55 AM

OOOHHH!!! A sword fight! Can you guys post video of that?

Federico · 11th January 2005, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themorningstar

thought i would share a picture w/ everybody some brand new made swords from the p.i., any thoughts or opinions anyone?
-style

Now how can I send you proper thoughts and opinions if you dont send me the swords to play with first

Awesome pick up, great to see some nice stuff still being made, any more info on where you picked these up, particularly for us drooling forumites

MABAGANI · 13th January 2005, 04:59 PM

#2 and 4 handled well in live blade practice yesterday, I'd tweak minor things out of personal preference, size and length. As is, definitely of nicer quality sword make coming out of the PI. Trainer versions would be good too, I hate getting cut by unskilled fighters who think they know how to play live. I got cut in a later session with sharp zanibars, my partner dragged the blade across my hand after he finished his move, a no no in live blade practice.

zelbone · 13th April 2005, 09:08 PM

LabanTayo and I have had the privledge to evaluate one these new swords from themorningstar. We've had it since January, but I've procrastinated writing this evaluation until now...just hours before I take off for the Philippines for a month

!!!

Anyways, themorningstar sent me a new talibong from Negros knowing that LabanTayo and I both study a Visayan art from Negros and the talibong is one of the types of swords we use in our sword art. When the talibong (or you could call it a tenegre) arrived the first thing I noticed when I picked it up was that it was a serious sword and definately not tourist junk that you would expect from new swords coming from the Philippines. The sword measures 26.5 inches long overall with a blade of around 20 inches. It's about 1.25 inches at it's widest and about 0.25 inches thick at the ricasso with a nice distal taper. The blade follows the nice slender talibong form usually associated with Negros with a nice long 7.5 inch false edge. The wider "bilog" form is usually associated more with Panay and is exemplified in the "Sanduko" tenegre blades. One interesting note here is that the blade is double beveled instead of the traditional chisel-edge. I discussed this with themorningstar and he said that this configuration would appeal to more westerners and martial artist than the traditional left or right hand single bevel. It also allows the sword to be used by either right or left handed persons.

As requested by themorningstar, Shelley and I etched the blade to see if the blade had a hardened edge. We used FeCl and found that it indeed had been forged and had a hardened edge which was darker than the rest of the sword.

The handle is of the traditional horsehoof design that comes from Negros. The hilt is carved of carabao horn and is highly polished. The ferrule looks like its made of either brass or iron which has been chrome plated. The S-guard is also made of brass or iron and chrome plated as well. We really like the S-guard on this sword. The bottom bow covers the fingers well and leaves enough room for them to still move around. The top part of the guard is small enough to be unobtrusive, but effective enough to protect your hand and catch your opponents blade. All in all, a very effective hilt. One nice touch is that even though the hilt is your typical Visayan blind tang construction, a pin goes crosswise through the hilt and tang further securing the blade into the handle.

The scabbard that came with this sword is wood with leather covering both ends, with a little hanger block of wood near the throat. themorningstar appologized to me about the scabbard before hand saying this was just a prototype and the scabbard was just thrown together in the last minute. I actually didn't find anything wrong with the scabbard...it does what a scabbard is supposed to do and it doesn't look that bad.

So how well does this sword work? It works great and handles extremely well. The first thing I noticed is that it swings and twirls very well. It's a very fast blade that can change directions rather quickly. For me the blade was just the right length at 20 inches. LabanTayo said he'd prefer a blade just a little longer. Actually, the morningstar has another talibong with a longer blade which LabanTayo would probably prefer. We did notice one thing about the hilt. The hilt is bigger than most of the sword hilts we are use to, but then again LabanTayo and I are use to old antique Visayan swords with smaller proportioned hilts. The good news is that most westerners will have no problems with this hilt being too small like many of my vintage Visayan hilts. One of LabanTayos top students said there was nothing wrong with the sword and is perfect in size in all respects...of course he's over 6 feet tall and at least a good solid 225 lbs. I'm much small, but would prefer maybe a slightly smaller hilt. LabanTayo would prefer the same hilt, but with a longer blade. That's just being nitpicky. Overall, this is one great sword for any Filipino Martial Artist.

As for cutting, I don't have any pictures, but it cuts extremely well. This is one great sword for those not wanting to mess up or play with their antique Visayan swords. Enclosed are a few detailed pics with a couple of Visayan swords from Negros and Panay to compare with. Contact themorningstar if your interested in an authentic Visayan talibong or ginunting. Hopefully LabanTayo and themorningstar can add further comment. I'm off for the Philippines!

Ian · 13th April 2005, 10:01 PM

Very interesting!

Are the full tang examples from Luzon?

Ian.

themorningstar · 16th April 2005, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Very interesting!

Are the full tang examples from Luzon?

Ian.

full tang? i was unaware i had any made full tang... which ones in particular were you referring to? top to bottom is #'s 1-6, left is 7, right is 8

tom hyle · 16th April 2005, 02:36 AM

I can't speak for Ian, of course, but I believe he meant full length tangs, not full flat tangs; some of them seem to have full length tangs with brass pommel nuts?

Ian · 16th April 2005, 03:24 AM

Thanks Tom. Yes, full length tangs. Sometimes my thoughts get ahead of my fingers

morningstar -- Laban_Tayo makes mention above of "pinutes." Is the correct spelling pinute or pinuti, and how does the correct term translate into English?

Ian.

themorningstar · 17th April 2005, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom hyle

I can't speak for Ian, of course, but I believe he meant full length tangs, not full flat tangs; some of them seem to have full length tangs with brass pommel nuts?

yes, four of the blades are from the luzon area, rat tail tang with brass end...

8th January 2005, 04:02 AM	#1
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	new from the philippines! thought i would share a picture w/ everybody some brand new made swords from the p.i., any thoughts or opinions anyone? -style Attached Images

13th April 2005, 09:08 PM	#13
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	LabanTayo and I have had the privledge to evaluate one these new swords from themorningstar. We've had it since January, but I've procrastinated writing this evaluation until now...just hours before I take off for the Philippines for a month !!! Anyways, themorningstar sent me a new talibong from Negros knowing that LabanTayo and I both study a Visayan art from Negros and the talibong is one of the types of swords we use in our sword art. When the talibong (or you could call it a tenegre) arrived the first thing I noticed when I picked it up was that it was a serious sword and definately not tourist junk that you would expect from new swords coming from the Philippines. The sword measures 26.5 inches long overall with a blade of around 20 inches. It's about 1.25 inches at it's widest and about 0.25 inches thick at the ricasso with a nice distal taper. The blade follows the nice slender talibong form usually associated with Negros with a nice long 7.5 inch false edge. The wider "bilog" form is usually associated more with Panay and is exemplified in the "Sanduko" tenegre blades. One interesting note here is that the blade is double beveled instead of the traditional chisel-edge. I discussed this with themorningstar and he said that this configuration would appeal to more westerners and martial artist than the traditional left or right hand single bevel. It also allows the sword to be used by either right or left handed persons. As requested by themorningstar, Shelley and I etched the blade to see if the blade had a hardened edge. We used FeCl and found that it indeed had been forged and had a hardened edge which was darker than the rest of the sword. The handle is of the traditional horsehoof design that comes from Negros. The hilt is carved of carabao horn and is highly polished. The ferrule looks like its made of either brass or iron which has been chrome plated. The S-guard is also made of brass or iron and chrome plated as well. We really like the S-guard on this sword. The bottom bow covers the fingers well and leaves enough room for them to still move around. The top part of the guard is small enough to be unobtrusive, but effective enough to protect your hand and catch your opponents blade. All in all, a very effective hilt. One nice touch is that even though the hilt is your typical Visayan blind tang construction, a pin goes crosswise through the hilt and tang further securing the blade into the handle. The scabbard that came with this sword is wood with leather covering both ends, with a little hanger block of wood near the throat. themorningstar appologized to me about the scabbard before hand saying this was just a prototype and the scabbard was just thrown together in the last minute. I actually didn't find anything wrong with the scabbard...it does what a scabbard is supposed to do and it doesn't look that bad. So how well does this sword work? It works great and handles extremely well. The first thing I noticed is that it swings and twirls very well. It's a very fast blade that can change directions rather quickly. For me the blade was just the right length at 20 inches. LabanTayo said he'd prefer a blade just a little longer. Actually, the morningstar has another talibong with a longer blade which LabanTayo would probably prefer. We did notice one thing about the hilt. The hilt is bigger than most of the sword hilts we are use to, but then again LabanTayo and I are use to old antique Visayan swords with smaller proportioned hilts. The good news is that most westerners will have no problems with this hilt being too small like many of my vintage Visayan hilts. One of LabanTayos top students said there was nothing wrong with the sword and is perfect in size in all respects...of course he's over 6 feet tall and at least a good solid 225 lbs. I'm much small, but would prefer maybe a slightly smaller hilt. LabanTayo would prefer the same hilt, but with a longer blade. That's just being nitpicky. Overall, this is one great sword for any Filipino Martial Artist. As for cutting, I don't have any pictures, but it cuts extremely well. This is one great sword for those not wanting to mess up or play with their antique Visayan swords. Enclosed are a few detailed pics with a couple of Visayan swords from Negros and Panay to compare with. Contact themorningstar if your interested in an authentic Visayan talibong or ginunting. Hopefully LabanTayo and themorningstar can add further comment. I'm off for the Philippines! Attached Images

8th January 2005, 05:10 AM	#2
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	nice swords. sansibars, ginungtings, talibongs, pinutes, espadings. hell, you got everything. nice work......

8th January 2005, 04:39 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, well, well... Once again we get this mumbo-jumbo from Kansas...(LOL) When are we going to get a promised definition of these names ?

8th January 2005, 07:53 PM	#4
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	thanks labantayo, if possible, let zel know that a negros talibong like in the picture(a little shorter though) will be sent to him soon for evaluation

9th January 2005, 05:16 AM	#5
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	ariel, its a coming, just be patient. morningstar, cant wait to see it. when can we get ours for keeps? i really like the cebuano (#4) ginungting and (#2) talibong.

9th January 2005, 02:19 PM	#6
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Wow, I like those. Steve

11th January 2005, 01:04 AM	#8
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Yo Style, Can't wait to try the talibong !!! Shelley and I will definately put it to the test and let you know what we think! Thanks again, bro! Ariel, Don't feel to bad...no mumbo-jumbo here...even Shelley and I get confused with these names. Zel

11th January 2005, 03:47 AM	#9
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	hey zel, no problem at all, matter of fact when all is done, you guys can keep it, only problem is-i'm only sending one, so you and labantayo are gonna have to fight over it, lolz.. enjoy! it'll be sent out this week hopefully

11th January 2005, 03:55 AM	#10
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	OOOHHH!!! A sword fight! Can you guys post video of that?

13th January 2005, 04:59 PM	#12
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	#2 and 4 handled well in live blade practice yesterday, I'd tweak minor things out of personal preference, size and length. As is, definitely of nicer quality sword make coming out of the PI. Trainer versions would be good too, I hate getting cut by unskilled fighters who think they know how to play live. I got cut in a later session with sharp zanibars, my partner dragged the blade across my hand after he finished his move, a no no in live blade practice.

13th April 2005, 10:01 PM	#14
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,160	Very interesting! Are the full tang examples from Luzon? Ian.

16th April 2005, 02:36 AM	#16
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I can't speak for Ian, of course, but I believe he meant full length tangs, not full flat tangs; some of them seem to have full length tangs with brass pommel nuts?

16th April 2005, 03:24 AM	#17
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,160	Thanks Tom. Yes, full length tangs. Sometimes my thoughts get ahead of my fingers morningstar -- Laban_Tayo makes mention above of "pinutes." Is the correct spelling pinute or pinuti, and how does the correct term translate into English? Ian.