Persian ? Powder Flask and Ramrod

Norman McCormick · 14th August 2021, 05:52 PM

Hi,
All steel powder flask 7 1/2 inches at the widest and the ramrod at 13 1/2 inches is obviously pistol sized. I've seen these tagged as Persian, Ottoman, Balkan and Indo-Persian and I have no doubt there is cross cultural form and usage, if anyone can give me a more definitive attribution I would be grateful. The timeline I would suspect is somewhere in the 19thC. The hanger is to a degree incomplete i.e the leather loss on one of the strands and the lack of an end tassel/bauble on another. On the other hand I haven't found many of these complete with hanger and ramrod although I don't know if flask and ramrod were always or mostly carried together en suite as it were. Thanks for your assistance as always.
Regards,
Norman.

Oliver Pinchot · 14th August 2021, 06:50 PM

It's Ottoman military, Norman. It appears c. 1830s and the type remains in production into the late 19th century.

Norman McCormick · 14th August 2021, 07:06 PM

Hi Oliver,
Ottoman military, that's a nice surprise. Thanks as always for your help.
My Regards,
Norman.

fernando · 14th August 2021, 07:30 PM

Nice example, Norman.

... with a system similar to mine, but which was told (15 years ago) to have a completely different provenance.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...o+powder+flask

Kubur · 14th August 2021, 10:02 PM

I confirm what colleagues said, Ottoman military, pictured in the Book Description of Egypt, end of 18th early 19th c.
They are common, because military...

Norman McCormick · 15th August 2021, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I confirm what colleagues said, Ottoman military, pictured in the Book Description of Egypt, end of 18th early 19th c.
They are common, because military...

Hi Kubur,
Thanks for the info. Re the availability of these. They don't appear to be common where I am but it is possibly different for you. I can only find two more examples with the hanger and ramrod both from a German auction house, photos attached.
My Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 15th August 2021, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Nice example, Norman.

... with a system similar to mine, but which was told (15 years ago) to have a completely different provenance.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...o+powder+flask

Hi Fernando,
An interesting piece. I guess the system was widespread re the functionality and the form varied from place to place.
My Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 18th August 2021, 01:28 PM

Hi Rick, Eftihis and Kubur,
Thanks for the info and extra images it's much appreciated.
My Regards,
Norman.

14th August 2021, 05:52 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,597	Persian ? Powder Flask and Ramrod Hi, All steel powder flask 7 1/2 inches at the widest and the ramrod at 13 1/2 inches is obviously pistol sized. I've seen these tagged as Persian, Ottoman, Balkan and Indo-Persian and I have no doubt there is cross cultural form and usage, if anyone can give me a more definitive attribution I would be grateful. The timeline I would suspect is somewhere in the 19thC. The hanger is to a degree incomplete i.e the leather loss on one of the strands and the lack of an end tassel/bauble on another. On the other hand I haven't found many of these complete with hanger and ramrod although I don't know if flask and ramrod were always or mostly carried together en suite as it were. Thanks for your assistance as always. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

14th August 2021, 06:50 PM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	It's Ottoman military, Norman. It appears c. 1830s and the type remains in production into the late 19th century.

14th August 2021, 07:06 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,597	Hi Oliver, Ottoman military, that's a nice surprise. Thanks as always for your help. My Regards, Norman.

14th August 2021, 07:30 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Nice example, Norman. ... with a system similar to mine, but which was told (15 years ago) to have a completely different provenance. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...o+powder+flask

14th August 2021, 10:02 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I confirm what colleagues said, Ottoman military, pictured in the Book Description of Egypt, end of 18th early 19th c. They are common, because military...

18th August 2021, 01:28 PM	#8
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,597	Hi Rick, Eftihis and Kubur, Thanks for the info and extra images it's much appreciated. My Regards, Norman.