pikes for identification

[weapons 27]

can identify you these Pikes, they are forged...for hunting or military???

thank

[M ELEY]

Nice pieces! I think from their pattern that they are perhaps Javanese? The haft also appears to be a tropical wood. Just a guess, though. Let's see what the others think-
Mark

[Rick]

I'm not thinking they're Javan/Indonesian Mark .
The gestalt ain't there .
The sockets look too crude, plus most Javan/Indonesian spears are tanged .

I have no guesses about origin though unless China .

[Matchlock]

These seem to be so-called peasants weapons (German Kriegsgabeln), Central to Northern Europe (possibly Germanic, e.g. Italian, Swiss, Austrian or German), probably 17th-18th c. though they had been in use for at least a thousand years before.

Attached are scans from a medieval painting of ca. 1440-45.

Best,
Michael

[weapons 27]

I think that the wooden handles are not original, that they have been added after does not rely a them

antoine

[weapons 27]

photos of sleeves, I do not know if they are original?

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

photos of sleeves, I do not know if they are original?

Hi weapons 27,


The lower ends of these hafts are highly unusual in not being equipped with pointed iron shoes and, additionally, are rounded which makes any use both unpractical and unlikely.
The wooden hafts should at least end flat as was the case with pike hafts.

I do not think these items have a European provenance.

Could you give the overall lengths of the pieces?


Best,
Michael

[adrian]

Just a thought, but they do look like they may have been made as musket rests as primary purpose & a "pike" as secondary use - musket rests were of a time before bayonets became common.
Adrian

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by adrian

Just a thought, but they do look like they may have been made as musket rests as primary purpose & a "pike" as secondary use - musket rests were of a time before bayonets became common.
Adrian

Musket rests, which were in use from the early 16th to the mid-17th c., normally had scrolled upper finials to avoid harm. There were some early types though to feature one spiked end which served as a thrusting weapon.

Attached please find samples of 16th to 17th c. musket rests from my collection, and a piece of period artwork from the inventories of the armories of King Maximilian I, ca. 1507.


Best,
m