Three Weapons that are unknown to me.

Terry K · 25th February 2014, 02:19 PM

Hi all,
An older gentleman came into a gunshow I was set up at and brought these in for ID. Being I have messed with edged weapons for 40 + years I ended up looking at them for him and correcting him on one. He said his long gone uncle was a geologist for an oil company 40-50 years ago. He said they were all from S. America. I told him that one was a Keris from the island but did not know what the others werre for sure. Here are some bad pictures of them. 1st two. Any help would be appreciated.

Terry

erikscollectables · 25th February 2014, 04:21 PM

Looks like a nice Madura keris with typical ivory handle (donoriko type)

David · 25th February 2014, 04:33 PM

Hi Terry. Welcome to the forum. And you are right, those are pretty bad pictures.

Better photos and, of course, photos of the blade are really essential for any kind of accurate identification. What i can tell you is that the dress for this keris (the hilt and sheath) are from the island of Madura. The hilt looks like it is probably ivory (though bone is possible) in a form known as "Donoriko". You will find other examples of this style along with many others on this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ura+keris+hilt.
The sheath is the Madurese form of a "Ladrang" style which is what is used for formal wear.
Other than that there is not much that can be told. There seems to be a bit of wear and i could hazard a guess at late 19th to early 20th century, but that is just a guess based on bad photos and no look at the blade.

David · 25th February 2014, 04:35 PM

I see Erik was being much more succinct while i was typing.

Terry K · 25th February 2014, 05:13 PM

Thanks everyone! here are some more

David · 25th February 2014, 07:25 PM

Well, your new photos pretty much confirm for me that this hilt is ivory and very nicely carved. All other previous comments still stand. If you still have access to this keris it would be very helpful to see images of the blade. No matter how ornate aspects of dress might be in some cases it is the blade that is at the heart of any keris ensemble.

erikscollectables · 25th February 2014, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I see Erik was being much more succinct while i was typing.

Terry K · 26th February 2014, 12:04 AM

I will be going back to the gun show this week end and hope the man comes back in but there is no guarantee. Here are some pics of the others. Thanks for the comments.

David · 26th February 2014, 04:36 AM

Terry, i cleared your post without seeing the photos you attached. We keep three different forums going here, the keris forum where we only discuss keris related subjects, the European Forum for items from that region and the main ethnographic forum where this last blade belongs. Please post it there if you want commentary. Thanks.

Terry K · 26th February 2014, 05:58 AM

Here are the last. I hope I got them on the correct forum. Sorry about the pics. They were taken fast at my table.

David · 28th February 2014, 02:59 AM

Terry, this one isn't pertinent to keris either and should be given its own thread in the regular Ethno Forum for response.

25th February 2014, 02:19 PM	#1
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	Three Weapons that are unknown to me. Hi all, An older gentleman came into a gunshow I was set up at and brought these in for ID. Being I have messed with edged weapons for 40 + years I ended up looking at them for him and correcting him on one. He said his long gone uncle was a geologist for an oil company 40-50 years ago. He said they were all from S. America. I told him that one was a Keris from the island but did not know what the others werre for sure. Here are some bad pictures of them. 1st two. Any help would be appreciated. Terry Attached Images

25th February 2014, 05:13 PM	#5
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	Thanks everyone! here are some more Attached Images

26th February 2014, 12:04 AM	#8
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	I will be going back to the gun show this week end and hope the man comes back in but there is no guarantee. Here are some pics of the others. Thanks for the comments. Attached Images

26th February 2014, 05:58 AM	#10
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	Here are the last. I hope I got them on the correct forum. Sorry about the pics. They were taken fast at my table. Attached Images

25th February 2014, 04:21 PM	#2
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Looks like a nice Madura keris with typical ivory handle (donoriko type)

25th February 2014, 04:33 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	Hi Terry. Welcome to the forum. And you are right, those are pretty bad pictures. Better photos and, of course, photos of the blade are really essential for any kind of accurate identification. What i can tell you is that the dress for this keris (the hilt and sheath) are from the island of Madura. The hilt looks like it is probably ivory (though bone is possible) in a form known as "Donoriko". You will find other examples of this style along with many others on this thread. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ura+keris+hilt. The sheath is the Madurese form of a "Ladrang" style which is what is used for formal wear. Other than that there is not much that can be told. There seems to be a bit of wear and i could hazard a guess at late 19th to early 20th century, but that is just a guess based on bad photos and no look at the blade.

25th February 2014, 04:35 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	I see Erik was being much more succinct while i was typing.

25th February 2014, 07:25 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	Well, your new photos pretty much confirm for me that this hilt is ivory and very nicely carved. All other previous comments still stand. If you still have access to this keris it would be very helpful to see images of the blade. No matter how ornate aspects of dress might be in some cases it is the blade that is at the heart of any keris ensemble.

26th February 2014, 04:36 AM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	Terry, i cleared your post without seeing the photos you attached. We keep three different forums going here, the keris forum where we only discuss keris related subjects, the European Forum for items from that region and the main ethnographic forum where this last blade belongs. Please post it there if you want commentary. Thanks.

28th February 2014, 02:59 AM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	Terry, this one isn't pertinent to keris either and should be given its own thread in the regular Ethno Forum for response.