Persian and Ottoman maces

Kubur · 24th June 2017, 09:28 AM

Hi Guys,

How do you identify a Persian from an Ottoman war mace?
I don't want to mention Indian maces because it's another topic.
Plus Indian maces are quite common compare to Persian and Ottoman ones...

Thanks
Kubur

estcrh · 24th June 2017, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Guys,

How do you identify a Persian from an Ottoman war mace?
I don't want to mention Indian maces because it's another topic.
Plus Indian maces are quite common compare to Persian and Ottoman ones...

Thanks
Kubur

If the descriptions from auctions, museums and private sales etc are correct, Persian maces are much rarer than Ottoman maces. From what I have seen the mace on the left is Persian.

As far as Indian maces go, really old Indian maces are quite rare.

estcrh · 24th June 2017, 01:51 PM

A group of Ottoman maces and what is said to be a Persian mace. I think that really old Persian maces and really old ottoman maces may be hard to tell apart in some cases, with the exception of Persian bull headed maces.

Persian flanged mace, Safavid period, Late 15th-early 16th century. Very rarely encountered, the elongated head with button finial and six heavy flanges with spurred terminals and stepped base, the solid steel haft forged in one piece with the head. Representing the formal descendent of bronze flanged maces in use between the 11th-14th century. Overall length 69.9 cm.

Kubur · 24th June 2017, 06:13 PM

Thank you for your reponse my friend
Well i might have found one that i'll post later.

Best,
Kubur

estcrh · 25th June 2017, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you for your reponse my friend
Well i might have found one that i'll post later.

Best,
Kubur

Waiting......in the mean time, here are a few images of Persian maces from from the "Shahnama" (Book of Kings) of Shah Tahmasp Author: Abu'l Qasim Firdausi (935–1020) Artist: Painting attributed to Mir Musavvir (active 1525–60) Artist: Painting attributed to Qasim ibn 'Ali (active ca. 1525–60). Folio from an illustrated manuscript. Date: ca. 1525–30, Iran, Tabriz, Met Museum.

One of the images shows a mace being carried in the belt of a mounted warrior, the only image of its kind I know of.

estcrh · 25th June 2017, 05:30 AM

Two maces from the Met, one is said to be Persian, the other Ottoman...but can we be sure, the Met has been wrong before.

24th June 2017, 09:28 AM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Persian and Ottoman maces Hi Guys, How do you identify a Persian from an Ottoman war mace? I don't want to mention Indian maces because it's another topic. Plus Indian maces are quite common compare to Persian and Ottoman ones... Thanks Kubur Attached Images

24th June 2017, 01:51 PM	#3
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,497	A group of Ottoman maces and what is said to be a Persian mace. I think that really old Persian maces and really old ottoman maces may be hard to tell apart in some cases, with the exception of Persian bull headed maces. Persian flanged mace, Safavid period, Late 15th-early 16th century. Very rarely encountered, the elongated head with button finial and six heavy flanges with spurred terminals and stepped base, the solid steel haft forged in one piece with the head. Representing the formal descendent of bronze flanged maces in use between the 11th-14th century. Overall length 69.9 cm. Attached Images

25th June 2017, 05:30 AM	#6
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,497	Two maces from the Met, one is said to be Persian, the other Ottoman...but can we be sure, the Met has been wrong before. Attached Images

24th June 2017, 06:13 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you for your reponse my friend Well i might have found one that i'll post later. Best, Kubur