a tribal hunter's belt for identification

Cerjak · 3rd June 2018, 05:54 PM

in the pockets of this belt an old Peters cartridge dating from the beginning of the 20th century and a what looks like a strange homemade cartridge made of lizard skin?also a qty of crude lead bullet
My with the knife we could identify the origin of this tribal manufacturing belt ?

Any comment on it will be welcome.

Kubur · 4th June 2018, 07:38 AM

Baoule???

Tim Simmons · 4th June 2018, 04:27 PM

The USA shot gun cartridge might suggest an area with greater USA influence than Africa. Possibly the Philippines?

Cerjak · 5th June 2018, 10:49 AM

what is striking me it is this strange homemade cartridge made with lizard skin
and metal .

colin henshaw · 5th June 2018, 11:08 AM

Could possibly be an old Bedouin piece from the Jordan/Palestine area ?

rickystl · 9th June 2018, 06:57 PM

Hi Cerjak

What an interesting belt assembly. And yes, that cartridge is really unusual.
Hmmmm.....Maybe the brass hull and metal were used just to carry powder, or something (?) If it is a live, home-made round, possible used for stunning the target versus killing ? Don't know.
That small bar of what looks like tow for fire starting or use in a muzzle loading gun, is that a lead ball in the bag ?

Rick

Cerjak · 9th June 2018, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Cerjak

What an interesting belt assembly. And yes, that cartridge is really unusual.
Hmmmm.....Maybe the brass hull and metal were used just to carry powder, or something (?) If it is a live, home-made round, possible used for stunning the target versus killing ? Don't know.
That small bar of what looks like tow for fire starting or use in a muzzle loading gun, is that a lead ball in the bag ?

Rick

Hi RICK

Yes the bag is full of lead ball
Best
Cerjak

Machetero · 12th June 2018, 09:36 AM

Since the Pouch is full of lead ball, the whole rig is probably made for shooting a muzzleloader. In that case, the likeliest use for the lizard-skin cartridge is to keep the percussion caps (or some black powder - however, it is more likely this hunter would have stored his powder in a powder horn separate from the rig). The Peter's shotgun shell brass boot is likely the powder measure. Muzzle loaders and cartridge loaders have coexisted, and still do, in many parts of the world.
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Odd

fernando · 12th June 2018, 11:48 AM

It makes sense

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3rd June 2018, 05:54 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	a tribal hunter's belt for identification in the pockets of this belt an old Peters cartridge dating from the beginning of the 20th century and a what looks like a strange homemade cartridge made of lizard skin?also a qty of crude lead bullet My with the knife we could identify the origin of this tribal manufacturing belt ? Any comment on it will be welcome. Attached Images

5th June 2018, 10:49 AM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	what is striking me it is this strange homemade cartridge made with lizard skin and metal . Attached Images

4th June 2018, 07:38 AM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Baoule???

4th June 2018, 04:27 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	The USA shot gun cartridge might suggest an area with greater USA influence than Africa. Possibly the Philippines?

5th June 2018, 11:08 AM	#5
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	Could possibly be an old Bedouin piece from the Jordan/Palestine area ?

9th June 2018, 06:57 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Cerjak What an interesting belt assembly. And yes, that cartridge is really unusual. Hmmmm.....Maybe the brass hull and metal were used just to carry powder, or something (?) If it is a live, home-made round, possible used for stunning the target versus killing ? Don't know. That small bar of what looks like tow for fire starting or use in a muzzle loading gun, is that a lead ball in the bag ? Rick

12th June 2018, 09:36 AM	#8
Machetero Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 12	Since the Pouch is full of lead ball, the whole rig is probably made for shooting a muzzleloader. In that case, the likeliest use for the lizard-skin cartridge is to keep the percussion caps (or some black powder - however, it is more likely this hunter would have stored his powder in a powder horn separate from the rig). The Peter's shotgun shell brass boot is likely the powder measure. Muzzle loaders and cartridge loaders have coexisted, and still do, in many parts of the world. / Odd

12th June 2018, 11:48 AM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	It makes sense .