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19th October 2023, 05:41 PM | #1 |
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It's African?
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19th October 2023, 07:34 PM | #2 |
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Looks like a very nice and rare early Ottoman matchlock to me. Congratulations
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Very nice piece, Galvano .
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20th October 2023, 10:31 AM | #4 |
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Thank you, but how old is he? |
21st October 2023, 03:28 AM | #5 |
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Good question, and one that is not so easy to answer. Per Elgood, it appears the Ottomans adopted the miquelet lock sometime in the 17th century. According to North, the characteristic form of the stock butt was also developed around the same time, early 17th century. Finally, a little book published by the Royal Armories shows an Ottoman matchlock gun, formerly in the Tirri collection and dates it to the 17th century.
So my guess is 1600s. |
23rd October 2023, 12:19 PM | #6 |
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thanks for your answer, but is it that old?
I think I see in oxidation a damascus cannon ! galvano That's for sure, it is a complex damascus Last edited by galvano; 23rd October 2023 at 04:19 PM. |
15th November 2023, 01:49 PM | #7 |
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Hello,
what can be this green material embedded in the wood of the stock? thanks galvano |
15th November 2023, 04:04 PM | #8 |
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It is most likely ivory that has been dyed green.
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15th November 2023, 05:36 PM | #9 |
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Looks like a Balkan Džeferdar, could be former Yugoslavia.
The green colour is indeed a form of dyeing of bone, wood, ivory also often applied to bichaqs see also: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28416 Last edited by gp; 15th November 2023 at 06:14 PM. |
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The Ottomans must have used thousands of matchlocks during the period. But generally speaking, there are very few examples remaining today....
Probably upgraded to later style locks. as was common throughout the world. Match to wheel, wheel to miquelet, to percussion... and in Japan, matchlock to bolt action! |
16th November 2023, 10:35 AM | #12 |
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Thank you for your feedback,
the white inlays are made of bone, can the green ones also be made of bone? thanks |
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But talking bichaqs, they are indeed all bone dyed green: this is the case with all of my green ones. You can check the pictures And also cutlery Last edited by gp; 16th November 2023 at 05:57 PM. |
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19th November 2023, 08:31 PM | #15 |
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Hi Galvano
It appears you indeed have a very nice example of one of the few "Ottoman" matchlocks. Congratulations. Would be well worth cleaning the loose, red rust from the iron parts. You can use simple old style gun oil and 0000 steel wool. Taking the barrel off will make cleaning much easier. The Ottomans must have used thousands of matchlocks during the period. But generally speaking, there are very few examples remaining today. While, as mentioned above, there are many remaining flintlock/miquelet lock examples available today. The reason for the lack of matchlock examples remains a mystery. Some believe that large arsenals in the Region were destroyed at some early point, with the matchlocks included. Perhaps. Hope you decide to do a little cleaning/restoration for this gun. Would be well worth it. It's a very high quality piece. Rick I believe the green is the Muslim religious color. |
20th November 2023, 10:39 AM | #16 |
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Thank you for your very interesting feedback.
Of course I'm going to restore it, taking care not to damage anything galvano |
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