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12th November 2016, 01:06 PM
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Marks on Walloon sword for id.
O.L.106 cm ; blade L. 91 cm; blade width at hilt 3.4 cm.
Passau wolf in the the two sides. Any comment on it would be welcome. Best Cerjak |
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12th November 2016, 02:48 PM
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I think the mark under a crown with threes stars/crosses is probably the townmark of Amsterdam/NL
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12th November 2016, 03:12 PM
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Rotate the image 90 degrees counterclockwise and you get a shield with triple "x" and a crown (partially ground) on top. Amsterdam. 
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12th November 2016, 05:08 PM
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I think the mark on the quillon is termed the kleeblatt and represents a clover, but need to get into notes for more. In any case it was often on the quillons of these Dutch swords. The running wolf is interesting as there were a number of Solingen smiths who left and went to the Netherlands as well as those going to Spain, England, Russia.
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12th November 2016, 06:56 PM
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Thank you all for your answer about the marks so it is a dutch wallone ,
Best Cerjak |
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13th November 2016, 01:21 PM
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The belief is that these walloon swords are made in Solingen, as evidenced by the fact that some swords have Solingen maker marks.
This is supported by the running wolf, typical for Solingen in the first half of the 17th century. almost all walloon swords of this type bear an Amsterdam town mark and a flower on the quillon final. This flower mark can be a mark of Solingen Smith. fe Johannes Kirschbaum has a three petalled flower. most of those walloon swords are signed with Sahagun or misspellings like sahagom sachgom Sahacun ea but not made by this famous swordsmith of toledo.the name Sahagun was only used to designate a certain Quality. These swords were made on commission for amsterdam arms Dealers in great numbers. It is an assumption that the French captured These swords in 1672-73 in the Netherlands and introduced the epee Wallone in the French army. a nice Detail is that the pommel is hollow and made of two halves. best, jasper |
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1st June 2022, 04:59 PM
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It's been a kind of Walloon-themed week for me. I've been looking to acquire one of these recently, and today by sheer coincidence I ran into one with a scabbard at the Lakenhal museum here in Leiden. It's missing one of the guard plates, but it's an impressive sword to see in person. It has sahagum and a stamp on the blade, the running wolf, and I think I saw the flower on the bottom of the quillon bulb. They even made a copy of it in glow-in-the-dark plaster! My phone/camera ran out of batteries (and is terrible in low lighting anyway) but next time I'm there I'll take a few more closeups of the markings.
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6th June 2022, 05:12 PM
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I have also one of those walloon swords made for the French, with the Solingen wolf and 1414.
What I have never seen before is a pommel like the one this has. |
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6th June 2022, 09:35 PM
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