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Now this one is especially to both you, Alexander and Fernando
![]() It is an extremely rare German wrought iron handgonne (German Handrohr) datable to ca. 1350-60. Its rarity is based on its special form, with the smaller breech to receive just the powder (German Pulverkammer) and the wider section for the ball (German Flug), both copied from bigger cannon. The small touchhole, placed near the rear end of the breech, and the fact that the whole barrel is wound of band iron give further evidence that we have here one of the earliest iron handguns ever made. I do not trust the stock though it doubtlessly is a piece of old wood (so it makes an optimal replacement anyways) and the "hook" obviously is just a long nail which would never have successfully acted as a recoil stop. Apart from that, and as I have pointed out before, hooks on barrels do not seem to have appeared any earlier than ca. 1430. The "barrel band" is of course just a ridiculous piece of modern iron wire and there seems to be some clearance between the barrel and the forestock, according to which the barrel has slipped to the right a bit; the touchhole originally would have been on top of the breech. This fine High Gothic hand cannon was in an Italian auction in 2004, and I am sorry not to have any measurements but on the basis of my experience I would estimate the length of the barrel to be ca. 30 cm all over. I remember the sale estimate was 3,000 euro (which I sadly did not have at that time) but it failed to sell and has never come my way again. Best, Michael |
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Oh my, this came out so big that is literally bursting the screen width - sorry.
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Hi Michl, what a great specimen
![]() But what am i missing here? Is the barrel made of two (separate) parts, or are the pictures that give such idea? The caliber is quite a large one, right? The stock might be a replacement, but the wood is rather nice. 'Nando |
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Hi 'Nando,
Great minds think alike (and so do ours! ![]() ![]() I had the same impression when first looking at the pictures but the staff of the auction house assured me that the barrel actually consisted of one singular piece throughout. I think the caliber could be about 30 mm. The balls at that period of time were most probably made of stone; I got a few in my collection. That's where the special name of this kind of earliest guns came from: stone gonne (German Steinbüchse). Best, Michl |
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Hi Michl,
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At first sight i thought the caliber was some wider, but 30 mm should be the right thing. 'Nando |
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Thank you, Michael! It seems that the barrel and the nail is not a one piece
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Hi 'Nando, Though your comment made me blush I guess that unreal is almost the correct expression, considering all the absolutely crazy thoughts and ideas my mind is forced to comprise!!! - but in no way is it apt to describe the mental relations between you and me concerning earliest weapons and the love for cats! Just imagine where I would be today without my dear friends Ed and Jim inviting me to the forum?! Before that point, I was extremely lonesome and literally lost in the oceans of very few individuals thinking alike and seeking for a mind mate ... ![]() ![]() Best, Michl Last edited by Matchlock; 4th July 2010 at 01:14 AM. |
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