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Just win another kris by epray.
![]() I don't have a clue from where this blade; maybe Sulu? ![]() Blade have silver inlays and until now I can't remember to have seen an "elephant trunk" design like this before. This kris need a lot of restoration, new asang-asang and the bands of of the handle including the binding. Jose, you would like to do it? I don't plan to restore the broken crest of the pommel since the break seems to be old and patinated. What you think? Your comments are very welcome, Detlef |
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A VERY INTERESTING OLD KRIS.
![]() GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE PLACED ON LARGE BIRDS IN MANY SOCIETYS OVER THE WORLD I DO NOT SEE WHY THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE ENTIRE AREA MALAYSIA, INDONESIA AND THE PHILIPPINES ESPECIALLY IN MORE ANCIENT TIMES. IN THE AMERICAS THE THUNDERBIRD, EAGLE AND RAVEN ARE IMPORTANT IN MANY LEGENDS AND TRIBAL LORE AND CEREMONIES. THE MAORI NO DOUBT HAVE MANY LEGENDS OF THE MOA AND OTHER BIRDS. THE DAYAK HAVE SPECIAL BELIEFS ABOUT THE HORNBILL AND ARGUS PHESANT AND NO DOUBT OTHER BIRDS. VARIOUS BIRDS ARE USED ON MASKS AND CARVEINGS IN AFRICA AND IN NEW GUINEA. MANKIND HAS ALWAYS LIKED TO DECK THEMSELVES OUT IN FEATHERS. SO JUST TO STIR THE POT I WILL SAY IT REPRESENTS THE LARGE WHITE FISH EAGLE THAT ROAMS FREELY AMONG THE LANDS AND ISLANDS OF THAT PART OF THE WORLD, NOT THE ELEPHANT OR MAKARA ![]() WHILE I AM STIRRING PERHAPS THIS FORM OF HANDLE REPRESENTS A EAGLE HEAD INSTEAD OF THE LOUD AND OFTEN OBNOXIOUS COCATOO WHICH TO MY KNOWLEGE HAS NO PLACE IN TRIBAL FOLKLORE IN THE PHILIPPINES. ![]() |
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You may be onto something Barry. I think that on Maguindanao kris the "eagle" is actually that, not the "elephant" look.
I agree that this is old, but that "eagle" is a form I have not seen much of. So I look at the inlaid okir on the blade, which looks either Maranao or Maguindanao. |
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in Mindanao and Sulu, Barry, it's the chicken. with supernatural power.
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So Ron you think this is the sarimanok?
By the way, Detief, you have pm......... |
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not quite sure if it's chicken (sarimanok), or a sarinaga, jose. need to see the whole form... for instance, in this aprticular Maranao kris, we have a sarinaga.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13413 barry made a good point tho, regarding the importance of birds in the old belief. me and lorenz had an interesting discussion regarding this topic. perhaps he can chime in. Quote:
as far as the eagle tho: the philippines have the monkey eating eagle, or philippine eagle.. |
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thank you for comment and email! ![]() ![]() Any thoughts about the age from this blade? Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 25th October 2012 at 05:26 PM. |
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Just noted that i have forgotten to upload one picture from the auction. This picture is very interesting since it seems that the tang is round.
Any thoughts? |
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Ps. why are they always turning around the handle the wrong way when it had been loose? ![]() ![]() |
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Hello Barry, interesting observation and thoughts. You mean pic. 9, correct? Regards, Detlef |
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