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Old 12th November 2010, 11:48 AM   #1
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Default Stork holding a stone - coat of arms on a baroque hunting sword cuttoe

Hi,

I've bouhgt lately this baroque cuttoe and I'm itrigued by the engravings on the blade.

There si among others, a Stork holding a rock, wich symbolises protection, but I cannot find any data about wich aristocratic families had a stork on their coat of arms in 18th century. There is also a marquis (?) coronet engraved.

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Old 12th November 2010, 12:23 PM   #2
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There are of course many coats of arms with storck holding a rock. Just a quick look in wikipedia:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca...dry?uselang=de

Interesting could be this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Cronman
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Old 14th November 2010, 04:07 PM   #3
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Thank you, Gustav.

Your links has been very heplfull!
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Old 15th November 2010, 12:59 AM   #4
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Valjhun, this is a fantastic cuttoe which does indeed appear to be of 18th century, and seems to reflect the profound oriental influences often seen in many swords of Eastern Europe in these times into the early 19th century.
Gustav, thank you for the extremely helpful links to these examples of the stork in heraldry, which presents the most distinctive clues to finding plausible identification.

Clearly this weapon reflects military associations with the martial motif of flags, drums etc. as well as nobility with the heraldic motif. Since officers were typically of noble standing in those times, these are understandably paired.

The stork holding a 'bezant' is seen as noted by Gustav, on quite a number of arms from varying regions. Actually the 'bezant' in heraldry is not representing a stone, but a gold roundel, and as such represents most likely the gold medieval coin (bezant, from Byzantine, repr.Constantinople).

The stork is also considered the national bird of Lithuania, and I believe that this sword may well be attributed to that country. I have seen the same type of forte panel with lattis type decoration and in accord with the 'baroque' style of the sword and its motif on Polish swords of latter 18th century.
These often use Christian symbolism and allegory in the same manner as seen with the stork in many respects. The hilts also have been seen to have the same profiled outlines, and this hilt is a stylized version of the 'karabela' hilt, the sword often held as the 'national' sword of Poland.

Above the military panoply is seen a lily (fluer de lis) which is not restricted to French symbolism of course, but in this case may refer to Saint Casimir, who is often seen in Lithanian churches seen holding a lily.

It is a gorgeous sword, and the blade seems to have patterning, which I look forward to hearing more on from those better versed on watered steel blades.

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Old 15th November 2010, 08:14 PM   #5
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Hi there,

Although looking much the same, this bird is not a stork but a crane. In 18th century heraldry, the crane symbolized vigilance, and to make sure he didn't fall asleep he held a stone.

Gentlemen, it's all on the net and easy to find. Please use the web ...

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/birds.htm
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Old 15th November 2010, 09:35 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Matchlock
Hi there,

Although looking much the same, this bird is not a stork but a crane. In 18th century heraldry, the crane symbolized vigilance, and to make sure he didn't fall asleep he held a stone.

Gentlemen, it's all on the net and easy to find. Please use the web ...

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/birds.htm
Hi Michael,
Things are indeed easy to find on the web, and it would seem that Gustav found the link he furnished there, which clearly shows under storks in heraldry at least one entry holding a roundel. In the entry it is described of course as a stork, and holding a bezant. As most will notice, in the apocrypha of heraldry the descriptions and interpretations vary widely and as always, the attribution of certain arms and thier charges is entirely a matter of perception.
When faced with this dilemma, it seems important to view the item being shown using as much context as possible. For me the most apparant case was that this cuttoe or perhaps perceived as hunting sword or court sword, carries certain gestalt corresponding to other 18th century Polish, and often related Lithuanian weapons (as described).

With many of these 'storks' (and references often note thier similarity in genus to cranes) they seem to be closely tied to heraldry from these regions, as well as Sweden. Most heraldic references which tend to these are inclined to have distinct variances in description, especially as the one you refererence which is excellent, but clearly focused on English perception.
Similarly, the term 'bezant' moves away from the equally apocryphal tale concerning the crane and the rock.

The lily seemed strangely out of place as it appeared of course to be the fluer de lis, but then , using the web, I discovered that this device was used in other countries as well, including Lithuania as noted.

With the confluence of these elements, I felt that the assessment to Lithuania/Poland was satisfactorally plausible and the period of the sword seemed established as well without comparable examples to match it to visually.

Thank you for sharing your findings from the web, and for the reminder that it is indeed a viable resource, to which I attest especially ! Theres not much room for a big library here in the Winnebago!!!

All the best,
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