Double ratan windings on mandauhandle!

Maurice · 23rd July 2009, 12:57 PM

Hi,

Does anyone have some ideas about these kind of double winded ratan handles?

My own opinion (just a hunch though) is that these double winded handles were probably a fashion at that time, in that specific area (east Borneo).

I would like to discuss this here and hear other opinions or even see photo's of similar handlewrappings.

Regards,
Maurice

trenchwarfare · 23rd July 2009, 06:24 PM

Hello Maurice. This is way out of my area, but I'll give it a stab. As the patina, and binding type look different from each other, I'd say that this is a later repair, or upgrade? Just guessing. My areas of "expertise", are more "civilized" weapons.

Maurice · 23rd July 2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

Hello Maurice. This is way out of my area, but I'll give it a stab. As the patina, and binding type look different from each other, I'd say that this is a later repair, or upgrade? Just guessing. My areas of "expertise", are more "civilized" weapons.

A repair is what I also considered, but at the other hand: Would it not be more practical to just remove the resin ring and old (damaged) ratan, and than renew those?

asomotif · 24th July 2009, 11:04 PM

Hi Maurice,

My guess is also decoration. not repair

Same as you have wrapping of metal combined with rattan.

Where is this hilt from ? Own colection ?
I know that I have seen this type of wrapping before, but I could not think of any book in my collection to find such a picture

It would be nice if anybody here had similar handles ?

Best regards,
Willem

Maurice · 25th July 2009, 07:30 AM

Hi Willem,

Yes I bought it, but it is at the customs for a week already right know!

So I have to be a bit patient yet.

A similar type of wrapping you can find in "Quer durch Borneo" from Nieuwenhuis.

Maurice

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Maurice,

My guess is also decoration. not repair

Same as you have wrapping of metal combined with rattan.

Where is this hilt from ? Own colection ?
I know that I have seen this type of wrapping before, but I could not think of any book in my collection to find such a picture

It would be nice if anybody here had similar handles ?

Best regards,
Willem

asomotif · 26th July 2009, 02:11 AM

Yes, Nieuwenhuis. I did not check it and was confussing it with the other hilt with the bead winding in Quer durch Borneo.

Wow

you actually bought this quality handle.
It must be from the same age as Nieuwenhuis'example. Great buy !!!

As for the discussion , decoration or repair.
Nieuwenhuis' books show almost nothing but complete examples and sometimes object were even specially made for him.
So considering that a similar exemaple is pictured in Quer durch Borneo , I would surely say it is decoration.

Good luck with the customs.
Do they know it is antler (and not some ivory)

Best regards,
Willem

23rd July 2009, 12:57 PM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,346	Double ratan windings on mandauhandle! Hi, Does anyone have some ideas about these kind of double winded ratan handles? My own opinion (just a hunch though) is that these double winded handles were probably a fashion at that time, in that specific area (east Borneo). I would like to discuss this here and hear other opinions or even see photo's of similar handlewrappings. Regards, Maurice Attached Images

23rd July 2009, 06:24 PM	#2
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	Hello Maurice. This is way out of my area, but I'll give it a stab. As the patina, and binding type look different from each other, I'd say that this is a later repair, or upgrade? Just guessing. My areas of "expertise", are more "civilized" weapons.

24th July 2009, 11:04 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hi Maurice, My guess is also decoration. not repair Same as you have wrapping of metal combined with rattan. Where is this hilt from ? Own colection ? I know that I have seen this type of wrapping before, but I could not think of any book in my collection to find such a picture It would be nice if anybody here had similar handles ? Best regards, Willem

26th July 2009, 02:11 AM	#6
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Yes, Nieuwenhuis. I did not check it and was confussing it with the other hilt with the bead winding in Quer durch Borneo. Wow you actually bought this quality handle. It must be from the same age as Nieuwenhuis'example. Great buy !!! As for the discussion , decoration or repair. Nieuwenhuis' books show almost nothing but complete examples and sometimes object were even specially made for him. So considering that a similar exemaple is pictured in Quer durch Borneo , I would surely say it is decoration. Good luck with the customs. Do they know it is antler (and not some ivory) Best regards, Willem