A Massive and All Business Old Manding Sword

CharlesS · 11th November 2017, 05:13 PM

Here is a very unusual Manding sword, likely from the first half of the 20th century. It is rather plain, especially its scabbard, by Manding standards. It is the largest Manding sword I have ever handled.

The blade is well made, may be European, and feature three shallow fullers to the forte, similar to some other swords from the region. It is razor sharp!

The hilt is tooled leather over wood, with a reptile skin grip and an unusually large brass pommel.

The sword has a heavy, no thrills, baldric of leather.

The scabbard is thicker and heavier than most Manding scabbards and is finished with applied tooled and pierced leather panels in brown and black.

Comments welcomed!

Dimensions:
Overall length: 43.33in.
Blade length: 35in.
BLade width at the forte: 1.5in.

Jim McDougall · 11th November 2017, 10:43 PM

It is always interesting to see the character of weapons reflecting different tribal and cultural in these kinds of hybrid examples.
The hilt style with the distinct knob at capstan of pommel, and the rondel elements , which is of course Manding ; the grip of crocodile belly hide, which is a Sudanese style from Darfur.

The blade appears to be of the 'masri' form which is very much Tuareg and these are typically produced by Hausa swordsmiths in Saharan regions. The rough sharpening practices using stones has taken its toll, with the central fullers now nearly gone, but the blades sharpness reflects the obsession of these constant rugged honings.

The scabbard is Tuareg as well, and it and the blade may have well been rehilted with this interesting composite form. The Manding were the trade merchants in Mali and other contiguous Saharan areas, and the combining of influences and elements coming in and through their areas surely is well seen in this interesting example of hybrid sword.

Iain · 12th November 2017, 05:34 AM

Hi Charles, agree on the dating. Locally made blade I would think but hard to say given the amount of polishing on the fullers. Looks quite good quality though.

Scabbard doesn't look 'Tuareg' to me. But the belt strikes me as not fitting with the ensemble. Maybe a replacement?

Love the hilt! And well preserved leather and skin. I like these Manding examples with the larger guards. I think its hard to call a skin grip like this a Sudanese style in particular.

Jim McDougall · 12th November 2017, 05:10 PM

Iain, I'm glad to see you on this, your perspective on these Saharan swords is always spot on. I see what you mean on the scabbard, and while 'similar' , certainly does not correspond 'by the numbers' to the Tuareg work.
Also, regarding the croc belly hide as embellishment on grip, very much again, similar to Sudanese (Darfur) hilts, mostly early 1900s, but as you say, certainly not a feature confined to Sudan.

I have not seen enough Saharan examples or other to think of other use of crocodile skin on hilts in other areas, and would really like to know more on this. It would surely seem the totemism recognized in Sudanese areas toward the crocodile surely was present in other regions and tribes.

I recall in Briggs, there was mention of something written by Turnbull on 'crocodile cults', and I wonder if you ever found anything to explain just who or where these were. I thought perhaps the extensive use of crocodile hides on weapon mounts might have some connection.

TVV · 13th November 2017, 07:32 PM

Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords?

Teodor

Jim McDougall · 13th November 2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TVV

Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords?

Teodor

Well noted Teodor, and hadn't thought of these people further west on the coast Toma/Mande and in Sierra Leone, Guinea. These people used the 'rondel' style hilts, but the sphere atop the pommel disc still reflects Manding and in the Mali regions.

These kinds of diffusion make it really difficult to classify many of these weapons to a certain group or geographic area. All we can do is recognize the influences present in whatever weapon we are examining.

Iain · 21st November 2017, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TVV

Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords?

Teodor

The Toma are within the group of Mande peoples. I agree the hilt seems to be the same as examples of Toma swords. I've seen a Toma sword in Wolf's collection which has a takouba blade. So I think its quite possible this sword is from Liberia or there abouts.

CharlesS · 14th November 2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iain/

But the belt strikes me as not fitting with the ensemble. Maybe a replacement?

Thanks Iain. I agree the baldric mount looks a bit odd, but its age seems commensurate with the rest and it is really quite worn.

11th November 2017, 05:13 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	A Massive and All Business Old Manding Sword Here is a very unusual Manding sword, likely from the first half of the 20th century. It is rather plain, especially its scabbard, by Manding standards. It is the largest Manding sword I have ever handled. The blade is well made, may be European, and feature three shallow fullers to the forte, similar to some other swords from the region. It is razor sharp! The hilt is tooled leather over wood, with a reptile skin grip and an unusually large brass pommel. The sword has a heavy, no thrills, baldric of leather. The scabbard is thicker and heavier than most Manding scabbards and is finished with applied tooled and pierced leather panels in brown and black. Comments welcomed! Dimensions: Overall length: 43.33in. Blade length: 35in. BLade width at the forte: 1.5in. Attached Images

11th November 2017, 10:43 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,955	It is always interesting to see the character of weapons reflecting different tribal and cultural in these kinds of hybrid examples. The hilt style with the distinct knob at capstan of pommel, and the rondel elements , which is of course Manding ; the grip of crocodile belly hide, which is a Sudanese style from Darfur. The blade appears to be of the 'masri' form which is very much Tuareg and these are typically produced by Hausa swordsmiths in Saharan regions. The rough sharpening practices using stones has taken its toll, with the central fullers now nearly gone, but the blades sharpness reflects the obsession of these constant rugged honings. The scabbard is Tuareg as well, and it and the blade may have well been rehilted with this interesting composite form. The Manding were the trade merchants in Mali and other contiguous Saharan areas, and the combining of influences and elements coming in and through their areas surely is well seen in this interesting example of hybrid sword.

12th November 2017, 05:34 AM	#3
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,693	Hi Charles, agree on the dating. Locally made blade I would think but hard to say given the amount of polishing on the fullers. Looks quite good quality though. Scabbard doesn't look 'Tuareg' to me. But the belt strikes me as not fitting with the ensemble. Maybe a replacement? Love the hilt! And well preserved leather and skin. I like these Manding examples with the larger guards. I think its hard to call a skin grip like this a Sudanese style in particular.

12th November 2017, 05:10 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,955	Iain, I'm glad to see you on this, your perspective on these Saharan swords is always spot on. I see what you mean on the scabbard, and while 'similar' , certainly does not correspond 'by the numbers' to the Tuareg work. Also, regarding the croc belly hide as embellishment on grip, very much again, similar to Sudanese (Darfur) hilts, mostly early 1900s, but as you say, certainly not a feature confined to Sudan. I have not seen enough Saharan examples or other to think of other use of crocodile skin on hilts in other areas, and would really like to know more on this. It would surely seem the totemism recognized in Sudanese areas toward the crocodile surely was present in other regions and tribes. I recall in Briggs, there was mention of something written by Turnbull on 'crocodile cults', and I wonder if you ever found anything to explain just who or where these were. I thought perhaps the extensive use of crocodile hides on weapon mounts might have some connection.

13th November 2017, 07:32 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords? Teodor