Moro Kris

kronckew · 2nd January 2008, 06:25 PM

just managed to snag my first real kris on ebay, it's coming from the states in 6-10 days supposedly. more pics after arrival.

Linky

looks a bit like someone stuck it in the scabbard wrong way round

katana · 2nd January 2008, 06:46 PM

Nice One......at a very nice price

Congrats Kronckew .... I like these but haven't seen one at the 'right' price. Would be interested in the experts opinions.

Happy New Year to you all.

Regards David

CharlesS · 2nd January 2008, 06:53 PM

This is a mid 20th century kriss, and a nice example of such.

kronckew · 2nd January 2008, 07:01 PM

hi charles,

i had noted the integral ganya and the grip appears nicely newly wrapped & unworn, so i'd assumed it was not an early one, but it does have a few decades on it by appearances, so i'm glad to get the confirmation.

Battara · 2nd January 2008, 07:20 PM

Not sure if this is what you are talking about but the part where the blade sticks out was broken off and recarved.

Oh yeah, I know Charles loves to hear this - Charles is right, 20th century.

Ferguson · 2nd January 2008, 08:48 PM

Oh, it's a slippery slope you're going down now.

Like other pieces, kris are addictive.

Nice first kris. Looks very much like my first one. Good start!

Steve

RobT · 25th January 2008, 12:44 AM

Hi Battara,
Well, that certainly shoots that theory all to heck. I made an assumption based on an incorrect interpretation of the replies and you know what happens when you assume instead of observing and considering carefully.
Sincerely,
RobT

Battara · 25th January 2008, 07:42 PM

That's ok - I have often made an asset of my self many, many times.

Actually Robert it was not a bad idea.....

kronckew · 27th January 2008, 08:43 AM

one last question i have needs ellucidation.

when reading frederico's excellent info linked to on the reference site, i noted that during construction the kris blade would be descaled and shaped using a draw knife, with more recent ones being filed.

how does one tell?

my kris has a series of fine straight parallel grooves running longitudinally along the blade with no sign of what i would consider filing marks perpendicular to the edge, in fact i do not see any sign that the edge was ground to sharpen it other than a very fine polished edge bevel of maybe a millimeter & the lines are constant and parallel to the longitudinal axis right to the edge (there is some variation near the luks). i see no signs that a stone or grinder has ever been anywhere near this blade, no random marks as i'd expect from stoning or sanding/grinding. it certainly looks to my mechanical engineers eyes like it was scraped with a tool lengthwise rather than filed.

the lines over most of the blade are very fine, but near the hilt are a bit more distinct. across the gangya itself they ARE perpendicular & across the blade from the ends of the baca-baca to the hilt. is this filed or drawn? what dates were the transition to filing or is that too broad?

Battara · 27th January 2008, 08:52 PM

Would you please post pictures - this would help tremendously.

kronckew · 27th January 2008, 09:18 PM

OK, you can see the striations in this shot

you can kind of see them in the earlier photos, but i've set the lighting on this one to exaggerate them a bit
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2nd January 2008, 06:25 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,158	Moro Kris just managed to snag my first real kris on ebay, it's coming from the states in 6-10 days supposedly. more pics after arrival. Linky looks a bit like someone stuck it in the scabbard wrong way round

25th January 2008, 12:44 AM	#7
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 464	down in flames Hi Battara, Well, that certainly shoots that theory all to heck. I made an assumption based on an incorrect interpretation of the replies and you know what happens when you assume instead of observing and considering carefully. Sincerely, RobT

2nd January 2008, 06:46 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Nice One......at a very nice price Congrats Kronckew .... I like these but haven't seen one at the 'right' price. Would be interested in the experts opinions. Happy New Year to you all. Regards David

2nd January 2008, 06:53 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	This is a mid 20th century kriss, and a nice example of such.

2nd January 2008, 07:01 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,158	hi charles, i had noted the integral ganya and the grip appears nicely newly wrapped & unworn, so i'd assumed it was not an early one, but it does have a few decades on it by appearances, so i'm glad to get the confirmation.

2nd January 2008, 07:20 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,167	Not sure if this is what you are talking about but the part where the blade sticks out was broken off and recarved. Oh yeah, I know Charles loves to hear this - Charles is right, 20th century.

2nd January 2008, 08:48 PM	#6
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Oh, it's a slippery slope you're going down now. Like other pieces, kris are addictive. Nice first kris. Looks very much like my first one. Good start! Steve

25th January 2008, 07:42 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,167	That's ok - I have often made an asset of my self many, many times. Actually Robert it was not a bad idea.....

27th January 2008, 08:43 AM	#9
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,158	one last question i have needs ellucidation. when reading frederico's excellent info linked to on the reference site, i noted that during construction the kris blade would be descaled and shaped using a draw knife, with more recent ones being filed. how does one tell? my kris has a series of fine straight parallel grooves running longitudinally along the blade with no sign of what i would consider filing marks perpendicular to the edge, in fact i do not see any sign that the edge was ground to sharpen it other than a very fine polished edge bevel of maybe a millimeter & the lines are constant and parallel to the longitudinal axis right to the edge (there is some variation near the luks). i see no signs that a stone or grinder has ever been anywhere near this blade, no random marks as i'd expect from stoning or sanding/grinding. it certainly looks to my mechanical engineers eyes like it was scraped with a tool lengthwise rather than filed. the lines over most of the blade are very fine, but near the hilt are a bit more distinct. across the gangya itself they ARE perpendicular & across the blade from the ends of the baca-baca to the hilt. is this filed or drawn? what dates were the transition to filing or is that too broad?

27th January 2008, 08:52 PM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,167	Would you please post pictures - this would help tremendously.

27th January 2008, 09:18 PM	#11
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,158	OK, you can see the striations in this shot you can kind of see them in the earlier photos, but i've set the lighting on this one to exaggerate them a bit .