Luzon daga, wavy blade

[Sajen]

I am the new owner of this large Luzon daga or kris. Brass mounts with horn handle, laminated (?) slightly waved blade and worn leather scabbard. Overall 17 3/4''. Before I give my own age guess I would like to read what others think. Would also be very interesting what you think from where on Luzon this piece coming. Strong Spanish influence I think. Pictures from the seller.

[Roland_M]

Hi Detlef,

nice find!

If you want, we can try out together, whether laminated or not, during your next visit.

Maybe I have a surprise for you next time and the pala sword is on its way without request.


Best wishes,
Roland

p.s. whats going on with your mobile?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

Hi Detlef,

nice find!

If you want, we can try out together, whether laminated or not, during your next visit.

Maybe I have a surprise for you next time and the pala sword is on its way without request.


Best wishes,
Roland

p.s. whats going on with your mobile?

Hi Roland,

thank you! Just send you a pm.

Best regards,
Detlef

[russel]

I was watching this one, a beauty. Congratulations

[David]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

If you want, we can try out together, whether laminated or not, during your next visit.

I'm confused. What are those lines on the blade if not lamination lines?
Nice looking dagger.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by David

I'm confused. What are those lines on the blade if not lamination lines?
Nice looking dagger.

Exactly!

It looks quite... laminated to me.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

I'm confused. What are those lines on the blade if not lamination lines?
Nice looking dagger.

Thank you David, Russel and Marius for comment! I think as well that there are lamination lines visible, but could be from the light, I am unsure.
Any age guesses?

Regards,
Detlef

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Thank you David, Russel and Marius for comment! I think as well that there are lamination lines visible, but could be from the light, I am unsure.
Any age guesses?

Regards,
Detlef

Definitely not from the light!

Wost case scenario, they might be etched/engraved to mimic pattern welding but I still believe it is genuine lamination.

It will be very easy to establish once you have it and examine it closely.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by David

I'm confused. What are those lines on the blade if not lamination lines?
Nice looking dagger.

An etched fake damascus pattern for example.

I have only found a picture of faux wootz.

[Ian]

Hi Detlef:

Very nice knife. Perhaps Philippines First Republic period (1899–1901) or thereabouts. A strong Spanish influence in the hilt, as noted previously. This one could be Ilocano or from Central Luzon--I favor Ilocano.

Ian.

[David]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

An etched fake damascus pattern for example.

I have only found a picture of faux wootz.

Roland, i am quite aware that people create fake patterns on blades such as this fake wootz that you show here. However, i have never seen anyone fake these simple lamination lines (usually it is more complicated patterns) which is probably why you had a hard time finding a photo depicting that.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by David

Roland, i am quite aware that people create fake patterns on blades such as this fake wootz that you show here. However, i have never seen anyone fake these simple lamination lines (usually it is more complicated patterns) which is probably why you had a hard time finding a photo depicting that.

Well, I have seen fake lamination lines on Chinese Jian swords, trying to immitate the "San Mai" (triple-steel) structure... but that was the only instance.

That's why I am pretty sure this is genuinely laminated.

Have a nice weekend!...

... even if we continue the debate