Is this a Javanese keris blade?

BluErf · 27th February 2005, 01:42 AM

Is this a Javanese keris blade? And why?

Mans · 27th February 2005, 11:15 AM

Hi BluErf,

You posted a Javanese keris, called Megantara Luk 5.
(Ensiklopedia Keris p:288)

It is an exotic keris. The Dapur keris like that is so rare. Many kind of Keris with Dapor like this, can be luk 5, 7 or 9. But it have a special characteristic ; the Luk just at bottom (Jawa : Sorsoran) to midle blade, and from midle to the top of blade (Jawa : Pucuk) made a stright.

Looks like made from Majapahit or mataram Senopaten period, I think

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The pamor looks like a Wos Wutah.

Just for another example, u can visit :
http://keris.fotopic.net/c364330.html
http://keris.fotopic.net/c311734.html
http://www.geocities.com/koleksikeris/Submegantoro.html

Regards,
Mans.

BluErf · 27th February 2005, 03:17 PM

I don't think its a megantara. That's supposed to have 7 luks isnt it? Plus, isn't it supposed to have a kembang kacang or pogok? It doesn't have the central fuller. This keris has a similar outline with megantara, I feel.

What about the 'c' in the gandik?

Mans · 27th February 2005, 04:57 PM

I think,
Megantara not just has 7 luks. It can be 5 or 9. The Ensiklopedia just give a one (Luk 7) of several kind Luks of keris with dapur Megantara.

Dapur of javanese keris not too exactly same with shown at Ensiklopedia Keris. Perhaps, many dapur of Javanese keris can't be identified till now.
Or..., some of piece looks like different, but it appear a same dapur.
For example, Keris with dapur Panji Pengantin (Ensiklopedia Keris p:348), try to looking at appendix which shown a Panji Pengantin keris, but it has a different Kembang Kacang

Btw, would you please post some close up photos at sorsoran and bottop of gonjo, so that we can look with clear at "C" (Jawa : Kruwingan) at Gandik ?

regards,
Mans.

rasdan · 28th February 2005, 05:36 AM

Perhaps this is the empu's exam results (before he started working on the piece):

Proportion = A
Forging = A
Garap = C ...d'oh!!

Just kidding Blu. A very nice piece u got there. Looks like panji pengantin to me.

BluErf · 1st March 2005, 02:03 PM

Ok, here's the close-up. The keris is a lot sturdier than typical Javanese blades and is tempered half-way through. The metal feels more typical of S. Sumatran kerises too.

27th February 2005, 01:42 AM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Is this a Javanese keris blade? Is this a Javanese keris blade? And why? Attached Images

27th February 2005, 11:15 AM	#2
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Megantara Luk 5 Hi BluErf, You posted a Javanese keris, called Megantara Luk 5. (Ensiklopedia Keris p:288) It is an exotic keris. The Dapur keris like that is so rare. Many kind of Keris with Dapor like this, can be luk 5, 7 or 9. But it have a special characteristic ; the Luk just at bottom (Jawa : Sorsoran) to midle blade, and from midle to the top of blade (Jawa : Pucuk) made a stright. Looks like made from Majapahit or mataram Senopaten period, I think . The pamor looks like a Wos Wutah. Just for another example, u can visit : http://keris.fotopic.net/c364330.html http://keris.fotopic.net/c311734.html http://www.geocities.com/koleksikeris/Submegantoro.html Regards, Mans.

1st March 2005, 02:03 PM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Ok, here's the close-up. The keris is a lot sturdier than typical Javanese blades and is tempered half-way through. The metal feels more typical of S. Sumatran kerises too. Attached Images

27th February 2005, 03:17 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I don't think its a megantara. That's supposed to have 7 luks isnt it? Plus, isn't it supposed to have a kembang kacang or pogok? It doesn't have the central fuller. This keris has a similar outline with megantara, I feel. What about the 'c' in the gandik?

27th February 2005, 04:57 PM	#4
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	I think, Megantara not just has 7 luks. It can be 5 or 9. The Ensiklopedia just give a one (Luk 7) of several kind Luks of keris with dapur Megantara. Dapur of javanese keris not too exactly same with shown at Ensiklopedia Keris. Perhaps, many dapur of Javanese keris can't be identified till now. Or..., some of piece looks like different, but it appear a same dapur. For example, Keris with dapur Panji Pengantin (Ensiklopedia Keris p:348), try to looking at appendix which shown a Panji Pengantin keris, but it has a different Kembang Kacang Btw, would you please post some close up photos at sorsoran and bottop of gonjo, so that we can look with clear at "C" (Jawa : Kruwingan) at Gandik ? regards, Mans.

28th February 2005, 05:36 AM	#5
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Perhaps this is the empu's exam results (before he started working on the piece): Proportion = A Forging = A Garap = C ...d'oh!! Just kidding Blu. A very nice piece u got there. Looks like panji pengantin to me.