Ottomans: jambia,hanjar or....

ariel · 6th February 2015, 09:22 PM

Middle-eastern dagger with curved blade is called hanjar in the Persian sphere of influence, and jambia in the Arab one ( yes, I am aware of shibria, koummya etc).

What is the correct name in the Ottoman Turkish areal? Where did they get it from? Yemen, since the beginning of the 16th century or Iran a bit earlier? Did the name come with the object or did they have their own one?

estcrh · 6th February 2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Middle-eastern dagger with curved blade is called hanjar in the Persian sphere of influence, and jambia in the Arab one ( yes, I am aware of shibria, koummya etc).

What is the correct name in the Ottoman Turkish areal? Where did they get it from? Yemen, since the beginning of the 16th century or Iran a bit earlier? Did the name come with the object or did they have their own one?

Ariel, are you talking about a dagger like this one?

ariel · 7th February 2015, 11:24 PM

Yes, like this one and others with different handles but similar blades.

Sancar · 8th February 2015, 10:57 PM

"Hançer" for single edged curved long knives; "kama" for double edged straight long knives, "saldırma" for S curved long knives(like a miniature yataghan), and bıçak as a general term for all kind of knives. There are also other older and regional terms(like my name "sancar" means short straight dagger

) but these are the ones generally used.

Oliver Pinchot · 9th February 2015, 03:42 AM

Thank you for that, Sancar. It would be very helpful to English-speaking members if you explain the pronunciation also, please?

Sancar · 10th February 2015, 07:57 AM

You are welcome Oliver, I'd like to help you wth pronounciation but I have no idea how to write phonetically. I can only say kama sounds exactly like the Japanese sickle weapon kama(both Altaic languages)

Andreas · 10th February 2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Thank you for that, Sancar. It would be very helpful to English-speaking members if you explain the pronunciation also, please?

In Google Translate, select English to Turkish, type dagger and knife and then click on the loudspeaker icon in the Turkish translation box to hear the words.
Andreas

6th February 2015, 09:22 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ottomans: jambia,hanjar or.... Middle-eastern dagger with curved blade is called hanjar in the Persian sphere of influence, and jambia in the Arab one ( yes, I am aware of shibria, koummya etc). What is the correct name in the Ottoman Turkish areal? Where did they get it from? Yemen, since the beginning of the 16th century or Iran a bit earlier? Did the name come with the object or did they have their own one?

7th February 2015, 11:24 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Yes, like this one and others with different handles but similar blades.

8th February 2015, 10:57 PM	#4
Sancar Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 79	"Hançer" for single edged curved long knives; "kama" for double edged straight long knives, "saldırma" for S curved long knives(like a miniature yataghan), and bıçak as a general term for all kind of knives. There are also other older and regional terms(like my name "sancar" means short straight dagger ) but these are the ones generally used.

9th February 2015, 03:42 AM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Thank you for that, Sancar. It would be very helpful to English-speaking members if you explain the pronunciation also, please?

10th February 2015, 07:57 AM	#6
Sancar Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 79	You are welcome Oliver, I'd like to help you wth pronounciation but I have no idea how to write phonetically. I can only say kama sounds exactly like the Japanese sickle weapon kama(both Altaic languages)