Sword of the Prophet Mohammed

Nathaniel · 2nd May 2011, 07:40 AM

A friend showed me this today...he said it is a sword of the prophet Mohammed...and that it's kept in Turkey.

I'm sure this may have come up before...

In a search I came up with these few links:

http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwhe...rds_index.html

Atlantia · 2nd May 2011, 11:39 AM

Hi Nathaniel,

There was a discussion a few years back here that touched on this subject:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=42964

rasdan · 2nd May 2011, 12:08 PM

The second website contains slanders and mockery of Islam. I hope moderators will delete the link. Thanks.

rasdan · 2nd May 2011, 12:43 PM

About the link: Thank you Lew.

How can we be sure that these are indeed the Prophet's sword?

Nathaniel · 2nd May 2011, 02:49 PM

I appologize as I did not read closely enough that partucular link, but quick scanned it and saw that it listed the nine swords and description of each. The link was wiki Islam so I thought it was legit...as always it is a challenge with source reliability on the internet and I should have read though more carefully. Lesson learned.

Nathaniel · 2nd May 2011, 03:46 PM

Here is a proper site that shows picture, name and description

http://ibnulazim.wordpress.com/2008/...-muhammad-saw/

Nathaniel · 2nd May 2011, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasdan

About the link: Thank you Lew.

How can we be sure that these are indeed the Prophet's sword?

Rasdan,

I do not know...this was something my Saudi Arabian friend showed me and I thought this might be of interest for those who study swords in this area. I know little about the weapons of this region.

Lew · 2nd May 2011, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasdan

About the link: Thank you Lew.

How can we be sure that these are indeed the Prophet's sword?

Rasdan

There is no real way to verify that these swords belong to the Prophet? Some of them do look to be the proper style for that specific period others on the other hand do seem of a later period style but I am not an expert.

rasdan · 2nd May 2011, 06:14 PM

Nathaniel, Thanks for the info.

Lew, I actually have no knowledge whatsoever on the shape or anything about these swords. Maybe, I didn't look enough, but I didn't found any information on these swords as how they made it to the museum etc.

With so many funny informations and "facts" around, I don't know if these swords can be positively, undeniably verified to be the prophet's sword. But, again, I didn't take much effort researching.

ALEX · 2nd May 2011, 06:19 PM

Agree with Lew, there is no way to verify. As with any other antique attribution, the historical accounts often serve as "provenance". From "The Topkapi Palace" book: "according to historians, the Prophet had nine swords. He gave one he called Zulfikar to the Caliph Ali. Another sword was left to him by his father. Only two of his swords are in Topkapi Palace...They displayed along with the mantle in the Throne room. Another weapon belonging to the Prophet is a bow, is also on display".
The sword shown on the first top picture is the sword of the Caliph Ali, and bears "Zulfikar" inscription: "No better hero than Ali, no better sword than Zulfikar". However, this sword has one point, not split like Zulfikar, so there is no evidence it belonged to the Prophet.

Nathaniel · 2nd May 2011, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Rasdan

There is no real way to verify that these swords belong to the Prophet? Some of them do look to be the proper style for that specific period others on the other hand do seem of a later period style but I am not an expert.

Lew,

Thank you for removing the bad link. That is what I was curious to hear if the different swords where consistent with the style of the time period. Which particular swords are are consistent with the time period?

Lew · 2nd May 2011, 11:58 PM

I would say the straight wide bladed ones. The thinner curved ones are probably of a later period. The one that allegedly belonged to King David is questionable a sword of that length would have been almost impossible to forge since the battle between David and Goliath took place at the begining of the Iron age in the mid east and the smiths would not have had the technology to manufacture such a long blade. Infact the weapons were more likely made of bronze since this time period was on the cusp between the late Bronze age and early Iron age.

2nd May 2011, 07:40 AM	#1
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Sword of the Prophet Mohammed A friend showed me this today...he said it is a sword of the prophet Mohammed...and that it's kept in Turkey. I'm sure this may have come up before... In a search I came up with these few links: http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwhe...rds_index.html Attached Images Last edited by Lew; 2nd May 2011 at 12:36 PM.

2nd May 2011, 11:39 AM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Nathaniel, There was a discussion a few years back here that touched on this subject: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=42964 Last edited by Atlantia; 2nd May 2011 at 05:20 PM.

2nd May 2011, 12:08 PM	#3
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	The second website contains slanders and mockery of Islam. I hope moderators will delete the link. Thanks. Last edited by rasdan; 2nd May 2011 at 12:43 PM.

2nd May 2011, 02:49 PM	#5
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	I appologize as I did not read closely enough that partucular link, but quick scanned it and saw that it listed the nine swords and description of each. The link was wiki Islam so I thought it was legit...as always it is a challenge with source reliability on the internet and I should have read though more carefully. Lesson learned. Last edited by Nathaniel; 2nd May 2011 at 09:39 PM.

2nd May 2011, 11:58 PM	#12
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I would say the straight wide bladed ones. The thinner curved ones are probably of a later period. The one that allegedly belonged to King David is questionable a sword of that length would have been almost impossible to forge since the battle between David and Goliath took place at the begining of the Iron age in the mid east and the smiths would not have had the technology to manufacture such a long blade. Infact the weapons were more likely made of bronze since this time period was on the cusp between the late Bronze age and early Iron age. Last edited by Lew; 3rd May 2011 at 12:09 AM.

2nd May 2011, 12:43 PM	#4
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	About the link: Thank you Lew. How can we be sure that these are indeed the Prophet's sword?

2nd May 2011, 03:46 PM	#6
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Here is a proper site that shows picture, name and description http://ibnulazim.wordpress.com/2008/...-muhammad-saw/

2nd May 2011, 06:14 PM	#9
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Nathaniel, Thanks for the info. Lew, I actually have no knowledge whatsoever on the shape or anything about these swords. Maybe, I didn't look enough, but I didn't found any information on these swords as how they made it to the museum etc. With so many funny informations and "facts" around, I don't know if these swords can be positively, undeniably verified to be the prophet's sword. But, again, I didn't take much effort researching.

2nd May 2011, 06:19 PM	#10
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Agree with Lew, there is no way to verify. As with any other antique attribution, the historical accounts often serve as "provenance". From "The Topkapi Palace" book: "according to historians, the Prophet had nine swords. He gave one he called Zulfikar to the Caliph Ali. Another sword was left to him by his father. Only two of his swords are in Topkapi Palace...They displayed along with the mantle in the Throne room. Another weapon belonging to the Prophet is a bow, is also on display". The sword shown on the first top picture is the sword of the Caliph Ali, and bears "Zulfikar" inscription: "No better hero than Ali, no better sword than Zulfikar". However, this sword has one point, not split like Zulfikar, so there is no evidence it belonged to the Prophet.