UNKNOWN SWORD FOR ID.

VANDOO · 3rd January 2013, 10:45 PM

NOT MY USUAL TYPE ITEM BUT I PICKED THIS UP RECENTLY POSSIBLY FROM BRAZIL AS THATS WHERE THE FAMILY WAS FROM. A SABER 3 FOOT 3 INCH IN SCABBARD, BLADE 29.5 INCH LONG. STAMP ON BLADE SEEMS TO BE ( ION. NG. 62. OSNE, ACROSS THE TOP. BOTTOM H-G62 ) FALSE EDGE ALONG TOP 1/4 OF BLADE. THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

A Senefelder · 4th January 2013, 12:47 PM

Something about this remindes me of the Japanese policemans swords of WWII. Perhaps its the flower decoration ( although they are obviously not the five petal cherry blossom of the Japanese swords ).

fernando · 4th January 2013, 01:04 PM

The stamp lettering doesn't suggest bein Brazilian ... from the (portuguese) language point of view

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Will you end up posting a more accurate picture of it?

... and it wouldn't be German made, either :

http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/Makers.php

VANDOO · 5th January 2013, 05:59 AM

I LOOKED THRU THE MARKS IN THE LINK BUT FOUND NO MATCH. MY CAMERA DOSEN'T SEEM ABLE TO GET A GOOD PICTURE THOUGH I TRYED SEVERAL TIMES. HERE IS THE BEST ONE OF THE LOT BUT STILL VERY POOR. THE CASTING DOSEN'T SEEM TO BE VERY WELL DONE, THE BLADE IS SHARP AND MADE FOR USE BUT DOSEN'T SHOW WEAR AS IT WAS MADE AND ISSUED DURING A TIME WHEN SWORDS WERE ONLY FOR DRESS OR EMERGENCY.

M ELEY · 5th January 2013, 08:19 AM

I have a sneaky suspicion that this might be one of those Chinese reproductions that turn up now and again on ePray. It has the general look of a Japanese army officer's or police sword, with cherry blossom patterns, etc, but the blade looks bogus to me. Artificially aged brown, with unidentifiable markings. Blade does loosley resemble Chinese blades of the early 20th, but I still call 'foul' on this one.

fernando · 5th January 2013, 01:09 PM

Well Barry,
Focusing on the sword with eyes adjusted by Mark's remarks, i guess i will follow his opinion.
Indeed the letterings don't seem to have any logic sequence.

3rd January 2013, 10:45 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	UNKNOWN SWORD FOR ID. NOT MY USUAL TYPE ITEM BUT I PICKED THIS UP RECENTLY POSSIBLY FROM BRAZIL AS THATS WHERE THE FAMILY WAS FROM. A SABER 3 FOOT 3 INCH IN SCABBARD, BLADE 29.5 INCH LONG. STAMP ON BLADE SEEMS TO BE ( ION. NG. 62. OSNE, ACROSS THE TOP. BOTTOM H-G62 ) FALSE EDGE ALONG TOP 1/4 OF BLADE. THANKS FOR ANY HELP. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 4th January 2013 at 06:12 PM.

5th January 2013, 05:59 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I LOOKED THRU THE MARKS IN THE LINK BUT FOUND NO MATCH. MY CAMERA DOSEN'T SEEM ABLE TO GET A GOOD PICTURE THOUGH I TRYED SEVERAL TIMES. HERE IS THE BEST ONE OF THE LOT BUT STILL VERY POOR. THE CASTING DOSEN'T SEEM TO BE VERY WELL DONE, THE BLADE IS SHARP AND MADE FOR USE BUT DOSEN'T SHOW WEAR AS IT WAS MADE AND ISSUED DURING A TIME WHEN SWORDS WERE ONLY FOR DRESS OR EMERGENCY. Attached Images

4th January 2013, 12:47 PM	#2
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Something about this remindes me of the Japanese policemans swords of WWII. Perhaps its the flower decoration ( although they are obviously not the five petal cherry blossom of the Japanese swords ).

4th January 2013, 01:04 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	The stamp lettering doesn't suggest bein Brazilian ... from the (portuguese) language point of view . Will you end up posting a more accurate picture of it? ... and it wouldn't be German made, either : http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/Makers.php

5th January 2013, 08:19 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,087	I have a sneaky suspicion that this might be one of those Chinese reproductions that turn up now and again on ePray. It has the general look of a Japanese army officer's or police sword, with cherry blossom patterns, etc, but the blade looks bogus to me. Artificially aged brown, with unidentifiable markings. Blade does loosley resemble Chinese blades of the early 20th, but I still call 'foul' on this one.

5th January 2013, 01:09 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Well Barry, Focusing on the sword with eyes adjusted by Mark's remarks, i guess i will follow his opinion. Indeed the letterings don't seem to have any logic sequence.