Flintlock pistol sea service?

Kmaddock · 29th June 2015, 10:58 PM

Hi all
Just picked up the attached pistols also got a v nice fowler of dublin pocket picture which is in the first picture
Would like to know more on the larger pistol initially

Taught it was a for sea service pistol but no belt loop
Big gun at 19 inches /48.5 cm
Bore approx . 7
Nice lock with good tight movement
Proof marks hard if not impossible to make out
Can anyone give me an ID, extra photos no problem
As you can see it has fancy escutcheon so probably not military issue
Thanks
Ken

Fernando K · 30th June 2015, 12:12 AM

hello

The absence in the lock of the word TOWER or name of the manufacturer behind cock and crown with the initials of the reigning monarch, and the "broad arrow" denoting that the lock is not legal. Also, the absence of bridge denotes that the bread is old, but the shape of the cock is modern, maybe a gun last period of the flint as frizzen.

The barrel and trimmings speak a service gun is illegible but the punches and do not correspond to a government gun

Affectionately. Fernando K

Sorry for the translator

thinreadline · 30th June 2015, 09:08 AM

Here is my Royal Navy Long Sea Service pistol . Overall 20 inches, barrel length 12 inches. Tower and GR marked , & with steel belt hook .

NeilUK · 10th July 2015, 01:29 AM

The overall shape of the large pistol is right for British Sea Service pistol (compare photo of thinreadline's pistol), but as Fernando K noted, the lock is wrong - no government marks, no bridle to the frizzen spring, and wrong shape of cock. Perhaps a S.S. pistol with replacement lock and the belt hook removed? And then there is that strange brass escutcheon. A real mystery.
Neil

Kmaddock · 10th July 2015, 09:52 PM

Hi
Thanks for your comments and observations
I assume the hammer replacement is nothing out of the norm and must have happened all the time, it definitely has plating of age to it
Escutcheon could have been added after leaving military service
Where the lock is worn there may have been government markings it is quiet worn
But I am not making any defence to your observations as I agree with them all so far
I will be taking the gun apart as it is badly varnished and I wish to remove this, I will get photos of the internals once I have this done and see if there are any more clues inside, I will do this in a few weeks as I have a workshop to build at moment
Regards
K

Fernando K · 11th July 2015, 06:02 PM

hello

You speak of the punches in the lock are cleared for use. The punches are usually deeply printed, so that it is not easily erased, and there are always small look details or indications.

Punches in the barrel does not correspond to a service weapon. Military models have the punch of test Tower.

Belatedly advised that the sideplate fault and the wood seems to have had no

It would take a good picture of the inside of the lock

Afectuosaemente. Fernando K

29th June 2015, 10:58 PM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Flintlock pistol sea service? Hi all Just picked up the attached pistols also got a v nice fowler of dublin pocket picture which is in the first picture Would like to know more on the larger pistol initially Taught it was a for sea service pistol but no belt loop Big gun at 19 inches /48.5 cm Bore approx . 7 Nice lock with good tight movement Proof marks hard if not impossible to make out Can anyone give me an ID, extra photos no problem As you can see it has fancy escutcheon so probably not military issue Thanks Ken Attached Images

30th June 2015, 09:08 AM	#3
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	Here is my Royal Navy Long Sea Service pistol . Overall 20 inches, barrel length 12 inches. Tower and GR marked , & with steel belt hook . Attached Images

30th June 2015, 12:12 AM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	hello The absence in the lock of the word TOWER or name of the manufacturer behind cock and crown with the initials of the reigning monarch, and the "broad arrow" denoting that the lock is not legal. Also, the absence of bridge denotes that the bread is old, but the shape of the cock is modern, maybe a gun last period of the flint as frizzen. The barrel and trimmings speak a service gun is illegible but the punches and do not correspond to a government gun Affectionately. Fernando K Sorry for the translator

10th July 2015, 01:29 AM	#4
NeilUK Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Scotland Posts: 125	The overall shape of the large pistol is right for British Sea Service pistol (compare photo of thinreadline's pistol), but as Fernando K noted, the lock is wrong - no government marks, no bridle to the frizzen spring, and wrong shape of cock. Perhaps a S.S. pistol with replacement lock and the belt hook removed? And then there is that strange brass escutcheon. A real mystery. Neil

10th July 2015, 09:52 PM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Thanks for your comments and observations I assume the hammer replacement is nothing out of the norm and must have happened all the time, it definitely has plating of age to it Escutcheon could have been added after leaving military service Where the lock is worn there may have been government markings it is quiet worn But I am not making any defence to your observations as I agree with them all so far I will be taking the gun apart as it is badly varnished and I wish to remove this, I will get photos of the internals once I have this done and see if there are any more clues inside, I will do this in a few weeks as I have a workshop to build at moment Regards K

11th July 2015, 06:02 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	hello You speak of the punches in the lock are cleared for use. The punches are usually deeply printed, so that it is not easily erased, and there are always small look details or indications. Punches in the barrel does not correspond to a service weapon. Military models have the punch of test Tower. Belatedly advised that the sideplate fault and the wood seems to have had no It would take a good picture of the inside of the lock Afectuosaemente. Fernando K