Patton sabre U.S. M1913 cavalry sword any out there?

Jim McDougall · 12th April 2009, 01:40 PM

I am just looking into some research on these huge bowl guard swords, which were the last officially issued swords for U.S. cavalry, and wondering if anyone out there has examples to post. While these were, as far as I know, never used in combat, I think there is still interesting history to them.

Best regards,
Jim

Matchlock · 12th April 2009, 04:48 PM

Hi Jim,

While I did not know the least about that kind of saber I found the following on the web, hoping that they will be of some help

http://www.pattonhq.com/sword.html

Best wishes,
Michael

Jim McDougall · 12th April 2009, 10:19 PM

Michael, your unending willingness to always help, even in topics so far from your own fields of study is completely amazing! You are truly a gentleman kind sir! Thank you so much.

This is exactly what I was looking for, and I hope will promote some interest in some study on these. While of course a 'modern' weapon that did not see combat, it is representative of the essential obsolescence of the sword, so historically of unique interest.

You're the best Michael!!

Jim

Matchlock · 13th April 2009, 06:16 PM

Thank you so much, Jim,

It just makes me feel good when I can help.

Found a bit more information:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/top...Cavalry_Swords

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=125970391 (auction has ended)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7788830/Saber-Exercise

Best,
Michael

Jim McDougall · 16th April 2009, 05:35 PM

Thank you again Michael for your help!!!
I still think these are fascinating as historical weapons, even though modern by the scope of our forum.
As a bit of trivia, I will simply say that while these were the last official pattern sword issued by the army, they were not the last sword designed.
Although production of these ceased with orders in 1918.......there was a protype designed in 1931, but never issued as all swords were declared obsolete and stockpiled, I believe the order was in 1934.

Guess I'll leave it there, and this will become part of the archive

I love these little time capsules!!

All best regards,
Jim

12th April 2009, 01:40 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,950	Patton sabre U.S. M1913 cavalry sword any out there? I am just looking into some research on these huge bowl guard swords, which were the last officially issued swords for U.S. cavalry, and wondering if anyone out there has examples to post. While these were, as far as I know, never used in combat, I think there is still interesting history to them. Best regards, Jim

12th April 2009, 04:48 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jim, While I did not know the least about that kind of saber I found the following on the web, hoping that they will be of some help http://www.pattonhq.com/sword.html Best wishes, Michael Attached Images

12th April 2009, 10:19 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,950	Michael, your unending willingness to always help, even in topics so far from your own fields of study is completely amazing! You are truly a gentleman kind sir! Thank you so much. This is exactly what I was looking for, and I hope will promote some interest in some study on these. While of course a 'modern' weapon that did not see combat, it is representative of the essential obsolescence of the sword, so historically of unique interest. You're the best Michael!! Jim

13th April 2009, 06:16 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you so much, Jim, It just makes me feel good when I can help. Found a bit more information: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/top...Cavalry_Swords http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=125970391 (auction has ended) http://www.scribd.com/doc/7788830/Saber-Exercise Best, Michael

16th April 2009, 05:35 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,950	Thank you again Michael for your help!!! I still think these are fascinating as historical weapons, even though modern by the scope of our forum. As a bit of trivia, I will simply say that while these were the last official pattern sword issued by the army, they were not the last sword designed. Although production of these ceased with orders in 1918.......there was a protype designed in 1931, but never issued as all swords were declared obsolete and stockpiled, I believe the order was in 1934. Guess I'll leave it there, and this will become part of the archive I love these little time capsules!! All best regards, Jim