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Hi again.
I have had this one for some time, but actually don't know what kind of a dagger it is, where it's from and how old it is... The structure of the blade is quite interresting, but I can't see if it's laminated. Anyone know the stamps ? Is the handle bone or ivory ? Thanks Henrik |
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Salaams Henrik, This looks like a Scandanavian hunting knife... possibly Finland "Puuko." Maybe ivory tusk from Walrus or possibly Reindeer Antler? Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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The blade shows no sign of being laminated. It has visible traces of the forging process, as the steel as been almost not grinded on the "rear" side of the blade.
The handle seems to be ivory. Would it be possible to see a photo of the rear part of the handle ? (the inside material of some tusks have a very characteristic aspect). Regards, Bernard |
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hello together
me too interested with this question, whence comes this knife. The images come from my piece, had bought it years ago, the dealer did not know where it came from. short time before had seen a similar piece at an antique market, the pieces all look exactly alike! The handle is ivory, very fine grain, whether walrus can not be determined. I know the difference! Scabbard is brown thick leather, covered with a thin skin. I binn not sure sealskin? Gruss Chregu Last edited by Lew; 9th January 2012 at 11:41 AM. |
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African gets my vote, I have seen this confirmed but I can't recall...Algeria?
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forget Algeria, from near or far ... no chance ![]() and, I dunno from where it's come from ... à + Dom |
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oops
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I don't mean to derail but I am somewhat disturbed by the above sentence... Perhaps something was lost in translation? ![]() Last edited by Lew; 9th January 2012 at 11:42 AM. |
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Stan, that's a literal translation from German for scabbard, it's happened to me as well using Google translate.
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![]() Nice knife, thanks for showing. |
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Does the size match ? Best Henrik |
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![]() The same suspension arrangement is seen on the knife at the bottom post number 35 ![]() ![]() ![]() Edit; Thanks for the update with images, certainly only one of the Kukri sheaths are suspended in this manner of the knife in question, the others are not....can't help but remember my sold item stock s117, it is frog suspended, not stictched to the body of the sheath....credits or asking permission to use copyright images would be appreciated.... ![]() Gav Last edited by freebooter; 14th January 2012 at 08:53 AM. |
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I notice that one side of the blade is "raw". You still can see all the surface asperities caused by the forging process. This is fashionable these days, but it wasn't in the ancient times. So it must be a rather common working knife and the one who did it didn't pay much attention to the aesthetics aspects.
There are some bends on the edge and the tip. I may be wrong but it doesn't seem to me to be made of a good quality steel. This leads me to the same conclusion : must have been a rather "common" knife. Could also be some tourist craft. |
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Here are some additional pictures, hope they are useful. Best Henrik |
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it confirms the handle is not walrus ivory. Probably elephant ivory as already stated. The marks on ivory look Afghan or Balkan to me. Regards, Bernard |
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Thank you all for your answers. I read the links to the earlier threads an see alot of similarity. I've got a lot to work with now.
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There are similarities here;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14832 I also have found some other images to share later. Gav The later update.... The knife, although it has no bolster, is a warthog tusk, simple blade and red and black circle work. The pistol shares a butt with a similar style to the knife seen in post 56?...it appears North African... I think the direction of thought can move back to Africa proper. I still have a feeling/memory of North Africa, not saying itis right or wrong. Perhaps, if these were north African, the Kaskara blade in the thread came by way of northern trade...fanciful but not beyond the realm of plausability. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 2nd February 2012 at 11:12 AM. Reason: The later update |
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Thought I'd add another chopper, originally posted by Tim in his thread. The pictures are from Field Service Antiques. This chopper is clearly from the same region as the knives in question. FSA had labelled it as a 19th century sacrificial sword - ram dao from north India, possibly Assam. The validity of this ID remains to be confirmed...The hilt does bring Burmese treatment to mind so perhaps not too far off.
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so once again, to refresh this topic!
I found the note on the internet, knife from Burma. website of a dealer who sells a similar piece. |
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Thank you Chregu,
Assuming it is not against the rules could you please post directions to the website, so we can check the reference. I'm not saying the dealer is wrong, but there have been so many disparate suggestions as to the origin of these knives I'd like to know why he says it is Burmese. Best wishes Richard |
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References certainly would add weight to any webpage description...even Bonhams has had these listed as African in the past....but without references....
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I've seen this type of knife a few times over the years. The construction of the knife itself, and of the sheath, also the decoration, make me clearly feel they are from the northern part of the Indian sub-continent.
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Thank you Chegru, I understand. I can see a resemblance to a dha of Henrik's knife, but I'm not sure about mine. But I agree, it is worth investigating.
David R. The blade on my knife, and I think Henrik's, is not so much "unworked" as poorly finished, still showing file marks, and yes the steeel is of poor quality, showing signs of incipient lamination etc. Colin. I have recently seen a bronze bowl with this dot and circle decoration and with an inscription in what I think is devanagari. I thought this was probably Nepali. Is this what you had in mind when you said "north indian"? But then I suppose it could have been a Burmese bowl. Regards Richard |
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