Battle axe for ID

[Evgeny_K]

Dear colleagues,
I'll be very grateful for any help in identifying of this axe.
It has unusual form I've never seen before - something between the bardiche (half of the blade) and czekan (its rear part). It was found near Moscow.
Here are dimensions: width - 17 cm, height - 15 cm, diameter 2.5 cm.
Best regards

[broadaxe]

Appears to be Ottoman, 16th century. This could be, however, Russian, under Ottoman influence. The hammer side is typical, some are more pronounced, the lower lip sometimes joins the haft (berdiche-style), and sometimes just very close to the haft.
Askeri-musee, Istanbul:

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

For axes see http://www.furtradetomahawks.com/axe...orld---28.html

[Evgeny_K]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

For axes see http://www.furtradetomahawks.com/axe...orld---28.html

Thank you, Ibrahiim! But this reference is not useful.

P.S. Some descriptions are incorrect (particularly - "18TH-19TH C. SLAVIC/RUSSIAN AXES")

[Evgeny_K]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

Appears to be Ottoman, 16th century. This could be, however, Russian, under Ottoman influence. The hammer side is typical, some are more pronounced, the lower lip sometimes joins the haft (berdiche-style), and sometimes just very close to the haft.

Thank you!
So it could be a local adoption of Turkish battle axe?

[broadaxe]

Well, could be. Because of the condition there is no option to see any marking or decoration to tell between. Because it was found near Moscow it can be Russian. As you probably know, Russian arms & armor show great influence from Turkish Ottoman and Persian.
I recommend to look in the book Russian Arms and Armour by Yuri Miller (I have it in English).

[Evgeny_K]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

I recommend to look in the book Russian Arms and Armour by Yuri Miller (I have it in English).

Nice book, but it doesn't offer a more concrete answer to my question.

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

Well, could be... Because it was found near Moscow it can be Russian. ...

many turkish weapons of all types, tens of thousands in fact, could be found outside the walls of vienna after 1683. after a polite discussion with the polish winged hussars, in a spirit of camaraderie, the turks decided they had overstayed their welcome and didn't need them any more, some of them went home. a large majority decided to stay permanently, tho they were essentially motionless thereafter.

did similar large turkish ambassadorial parties ever get close to moskva?

[ChrisPer]

Originally Posted by kronckew

many turkish weapons of all types, tens of thousands in fact, could be found outside the walls of vienna after 1683. after a polite discussion with the polish winged hussars, in a spirit of camaraderie, the turks decided they had overstayed their welcome and didn't need them any more, some of them went home. a large majority decided to stay permanently, tho they were essentially motionless thereafter.

did similar large turkish ambassadorial parties ever get close to moskva?

Remember, weapons taken as trophies elsewhere are hauled home, and may end up treated as rubbish in a generation or two.

[Roland_M]

This is a medieval bearded axe of unknown probably european origin, maybe a viking axe.

Roland