keris for comment, naga luk-13

ferrylaki · 1st December 2008, 06:44 AM

This is an example of keris nagasasra ( luk-13 ).
the keris it self looks clean, but the surface iron and pamor looks suspicious.
at the first time I saw this keris, I really thought this is a new piece being threated to look older.
I have a doubt to determine the tangguh.
I hope the picture is good enought.

I must say the gonjo has different material from the blade.
the pamor...I have no idea (wos wutah???)

any information or comment would be appreciated.
Thank you

FERRYLAKI

Marcokeris · 1st December 2008, 11:51 AM

Mr. Ferrilaki
Old or new

IMO this keris is a keris that i' would be happy to have

Nice keris in a nice dress
Pamor... it seems beras wutan

ferrylaki · 2nd December 2008, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Mr. Ferrilaki
Old or new

IMO this keris is a keris that i' would be happy to have

Nice keris in a nice dress
Pamor... it seems beras wutan

Thanks Marco,
I've been waiting for a very long time to find a proper nagasasra keris like this one. dhapur nagasasra has become scarce in existance nowdays.
I remember your old thread about your visit to jogja. you've posted some picture of naga keris with a beautiful kinatah work.
I can't afford my self for a kinatah nagasasra ( yet) , so this find would be another nice addition for my collection.

I Hope you guys can show me another pictures of nagasasra keris.
I'm wondering with the shape of the naga's head. I've been told that there are different dhapur naga like nagasasra, rajanaga, naga keras...with the difference on the naga's head characteristic.

Regards,
FERRYLAKI

Amuk Murugul · 2nd December 2008, 08:42 AM

Hullo Ferrylaki,

Just an observation:

Strictly speaking, Nagasasra means a naga with A THOUSAND scales (from Djawa Koena, Sahasra = a thousand).

Best,

Marcokeris · 2nd December 2008, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

I Hope you guys can show me another pictures of nagasasra keris.
I'm wondering with the shape of the naga's head. I've been told that there are different dhapur naga like nagasasra, rajanaga, naga keras...with the difference on the naga's head characteristic.

Regards,
FERRYLAKI

Ferrylaki
I have one keris not so different from your. Also I have doubts about the age. The keris is rather heavy, naga has a little yakut inside the mouth, pamor is beras wutan, dress is Yogya ladrang (wood I don't know... but is not far from awar awar). IMO i find unusual that in the middle of this keris' blade there is steel ? (or iron?) similar to pamor sanak (?) .
I have no pics of this keris. But i'll try to do some pics next saturday with the light of the day

ferrylaki · 3rd December 2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Ferrylaki
I have one keris not so different from your. Also I have doubts about the age. The keris is rather heavy, naga has a little yakut inside the mouth, pamor is beras wutan, dress is Yogya ladrang (wood I don't know... but is not far from awar awar). IMO i find unusual that in the middle of this keris' blade there is steel ? (or iron?) similar to pamor sanak (?) .
I have no pics of this keris. But i'll try to do some pics next saturday with the light of the day

Marco,
the unusual material in the middle of the keris' blade, is it in the 4th picture?
I also wondering about this. as we can see there is a black iron/steel we usually see in the middle of a keris. but this keris has a little bit white colour on the tip of the centre iron/steel. from the colour I guess its not a pamor material. in the 3rd picture I can also see a similar material. on the WADIDANG section. it do not shows black iron colour as usual. but some sort of white coloured material like pasir malela but its not pamor sanak.

this keris is not heavy in weight. rather light in weight. The naga mouth is wide open and I can find one tiny teeth on each side of the mouth as a fang of the dragon. the other dhapur naga pictures I manage to find usually has something in their mouth. a naga with gold/stone/diamond in the mouth.
so I cant see the tiny teeth inside of the mouth.

Regards,
FERRYLAKI

Marcokeris · 3rd December 2008, 10:03 PM

[QUOTE=ferrylaki]Marco,
the unusual material in the middle of the keris' blade, is it in the 4th picture?

Is similar but more large and, i suppose, more sparkling
Thanks
Marco

Marcokeris · 6th December 2008, 03:02 PM

[QUOTE=Marcokeris]Ferrylaki
I have one keris not so different from your.

Marcokeris · 6th December 2008, 03:04 PM

some other pics

ferrylaki · 9th December 2008, 12:22 AM

the same luk 13 nagasasra keris.
I'm quite sure your keris is heavy. we must admit, the have a very different quality in shape and the naga form.
very nace warangka and pendok.

1st December 2008, 06:44 AM	#1
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	keris for comment, naga luk-13 This is an example of keris nagasasra ( luk-13 ). the keris it self looks clean, but the surface iron and pamor looks suspicious. at the first time I saw this keris, I really thought this is a new piece being threated to look older. I have a doubt to determine the tangguh. I hope the picture is good enought. I must say the gonjo has different material from the blade. the pamor...I have no idea (wos wutah???) any information or comment would be appreciated. Thank you FERRYLAKI Attached Images

6th December 2008, 03:02 PM	#8
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	[QUOTE=Marcokeris]Ferrylaki I have one keris not so different from your. Attached Images

6th December 2008, 03:04 PM	#9
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	some other pics Attached Images

1st December 2008, 11:51 AM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Mr. Ferrilaki Old or new IMO this keris is a keris that i' would be happy to have Nice keris in a nice dress Pamor... it seems beras wutan

2nd December 2008, 08:42 AM	#4
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo Ferrylaki, Just an observation: Strictly speaking, Nagasasra means a naga with A THOUSAND scales (from Djawa Koena, Sahasra = a thousand). Best,

3rd December 2008, 10:03 PM	#7
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	[QUOTE=ferrylaki]Marco, the unusual material in the middle of the keris' blade, is it in the 4th picture? Is similar but more large and, i suppose, more sparkling Thanks Marco

9th December 2008, 12:22 AM	#10
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	the same luk 13 nagasasra keris. I'm quite sure your keris is heavy. we must admit, the have a very different quality in shape and the naga form. very nace warangka and pendok.