Keris with „sickleshape-blade“ for comments

thomas hauschild · 2nd November 2019, 02:25 PM

I can‘t get connection the keris area, admins please feel free to move.

This keris is on the way to me. Never saw a pic of a piece like this. Till now I heard something from west Java and east Java. Maybe somebody knows more ?
Best Thomas

kai · 2nd November 2019, 05:04 PM

Hello Thomas,

This obviously is a keris blade that was bent on purpose during forging. From the pics, it does seem to have some age including the fittings.

It may be correctly placed in this forum though since a pretty similar example shown earlier on the keris forum got emphatically declined membership among keris proper if I recall correctly (will try to send a link later). This was coming from an Orang Jawa perspective...

Regards,
Kai

Amuk Murugul · 2nd November 2019, 11:22 PM

Hullo Thomas,

My two-doeits' worth (first impression):

- Overall sheathed assemblage reminiscent of southern Kalamantan; in particular, a djambia/jambia/jambya/jambeya.

- Blade simplicity similar to southern Kalamantan or Soenda.

- I recall mention of a Djawa pakem which includes a keris djambia; but I don't recall its details (wintjikan).

I did some quick research and found a peninsular 7Eloek tjombong keris w/ kembang-katjang; also a plain keris w/ a ngganja (not a tjengkrong)from northern Soelawesi. So, while rare, it appears that they are not unique?

Best,

Battara · 3rd November 2019, 03:56 AM

Wow - not seen one like this before.

I'll send over to the Keris section.

A. G. Maisey · 3rd November 2019, 05:44 AM

An interesting thing, clearly has some age, does not look like an alteration, but could be.

I doubt that it can legitimately be classified as a keris.

As Amuk comments, it does tend towards a jambiyo

Henk · 3rd November 2019, 07:44 AM

I've seen one before in the collection of an important Dutch collector years ago.
Unfortunately I cann't remember details. Very nice to see another one.

thomas hauschild · 3rd November 2019, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo Thomas,

My two-doeits' worth (first impression):

- Overall sheathed assemblage reminiscent of southern Kalamantan; in particular, a djambia/jambia/jambya/jambeya.

- Blade simplicity similar to southern Kalamantan or Soenda.

- I recall mention of a Djawa pakem which includes a keris djambia; but I don't recall its details (wintjikan).

I did some quick research and found a peninsular 7Eloek tjombong keris w/ kembang-katjang; also a plain keris w/ a ngganja (not a tjengkrong)from northern Soelawesi. So, while rare, it appears that they are not unique?

Best,

Thank you very much amuk murugul. A research depends mostly on the right name to search. Now I’m a step forward.

Jean · 3rd November 2019, 11:35 AM

See what a jambiya from Yemen looks like in comparison.
Regards

Amuk Murugul · 3rd November 2019, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

See what a jambiya from Yemen looks like in comparison.
Regards

Hullo Jean,

Just thought I'd add this link to a southern Kalamantan djambia for comparison:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...987#post243987

Best,

2nd November 2019, 02:25 PM	#1
thomas hauschild Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 139	Keris with „sickleshape-blade“ for comments I can‘t get connection the keris area, admins please feel free to move. This keris is on the way to me. Never saw a pic of a piece like this. Till now I heard something from west Java and east Java. Maybe somebody knows more ? Best Thomas Attached Images Last edited by thomas hauschild; 2nd November 2019 at 03:12 PM.

2nd November 2019, 11:22 PM	#3
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo Thomas, My two-doeits' worth (first impression): - Overall sheathed assemblage reminiscent of southern Kalamantan; in particular, a djambia/jambia/jambya/jambeya. - Blade simplicity similar to southern Kalamantan or Soenda. - I recall mention of a Djawa pakem which includes a keris djambia; but I don't recall its details (wintjikan). I did some quick research and found a peninsular 7Eloek tjombong keris w/ kembang-katjang; also a plain keris w/ a ngganja (not a tjengkrong)from northern Soelawesi. So, while rare, it appears that they are not unique? Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 3rd November 2019 at 08:48 AM. Reason: quick update

3rd November 2019, 11:35 AM	#8
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	See what a jambiya from Yemen looks like in comparison. Regards Attached Images

2nd November 2019, 05:04 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Thomas, This obviously is a keris blade that was bent on purpose during forging. From the pics, it does seem to have some age including the fittings. It may be correctly placed in this forum though since a pretty similar example shown earlier on the keris forum got emphatically declined membership among keris proper if I recall correctly (will try to send a link later). This was coming from an Orang Jawa perspective... Regards, Kai

3rd November 2019, 03:56 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Wow - not seen one like this before. I'll send over to the Keris section.

3rd November 2019, 05:44 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	An interesting thing, clearly has some age, does not look like an alteration, but could be. I doubt that it can legitimately be classified as a keris. As Amuk comments, it does tend towards a jambiyo

3rd November 2019, 07:44 AM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I've seen one before in the collection of an important Dutch collector years ago. Unfortunately I cann't remember details. Very nice to see another one.