Haladie

[Iliad]

Greetings all,

I have just acquired a Haladie, and am now posting photos. I hope that it may be of some small interest and will add to archive material. Any and all comments welcome.
Best regards to all,
Brian

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Iliad

Greetings all,

I have just acquired a Haladie, and am now posting photos. I hope that it may be of some small interest and will add to archive material. Any and all comments welcome.
Best regards to all,
Brian

Brian, if possible can you post some larger images of your haladie. These are rather rare weapons judging on how few come up for sale.

[Jim McDougall]

Indeed Brian, these are of considerable interest, and very much worthy of adding to the archived material here. As Estcrh has rightly noted, this particular type of Indian edged weapon is relatively rarely seen offered.

This form of 'haladie' is of course the style regarded as Rajput, and there seem to be variations in the serrations, fullering etc. but the triple blade seems most consistant.
This configuration with the transverse grip, guard with blade and with dagger blades on either side of the guard. The weapon is closely related to the 'saintie' which is an paired blade situation often with shield in the center, sometimes even a spear on one side, or other variations.
Whatever the case, these are considered parrying weapons.

Egerton (1880) and Stone (1934) regarded the haladie as Rajput and likely from Bundelkhand regions (now Uttar Pradesh & Madhya Pradesh) however it is hard to confine these to any particular area of course.

These origins of these paired blade parrying weapons seem likely to have come from the Bhils, aboriginal tribes in the regions of Rajputana, now Rajasthan largely with other states. Like many early Indian weapons such as the bagh nagh ; bichwa; madu (paired horns) and others these probably derived from animal horns.

One image shows that these did not always have the center guard and central spike or blade.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

The weapon is closely related to the 'saintie' which is an paired blade situation often with shield in the center, sometimes even a spear on one side, or other variations.
Whatever the case, these are considered parrying weapons.

Jim, I think you may be referring to the "sainti" which is a small parrying weapon with a center grip and a blade in the middle, the "saintie" is a small parrying spear.

[kahnjar1]

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...07069/ph-0.jpg
Here is another from Artzi's site

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...07069/ph-0.jpg
Here is another from Artzi's site

This is a timely thread for me since this piece from Artzi is at my local post office awaiting pick up.
Marcus

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Jim, I think you may be referring to the "sainti" which is a small parrying weapon with a center grip and a blade in the middle, the "saintie" is a small parrying spear.

Yes, actually I was, and thank you for that clarification, I hadn't noticed the difference in terms which clearly does indicate two like, but different featured weapons. Thank you!!!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

see below...

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams Jim, Whilst these are considered as Indian I believe another very similar weapon appeared in the Sudan ...Please view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yOtCbAXq2g
In another reference please note the mention of the Madu the likely origin of this weapon formed by two horns.....and the mention of the Indian trade blade possibly being responsible for the Haladie appearing in Egypt and Sudan at http://art-of-swords.tumblr.com/post...-time-favorite
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Egerton (1880) and Stone (1934) regarded the haladie as Rajput and likely from Bundelkhand regions (now Uttar Pradesh & Madhya Pradesh) however it is hard to confine these to any particular area of course.

Jim here are Stones and Egertons descriptions, notice that both describe a double bladed weapon.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Jim here are Stones and Egertons descriptions, notice that both describe a double bladed weapon.

Thank you so much for these excerpts from those sources! Most helpful for those who do not have the books themselves.
BTW, your PM folder is full