Robert Hales: Islamic Arms and Armour

digenis · 31st October 2013, 08:48 PM

Just received the book. Some of the weapons pictured are amazing. Certainly a great reference book for the advanced or wealthy collector. Your average person is not likely to run into this kind of quality weapons. I have only briefly looked through it so no in depth book review. One negative I have noticed so far: mostly generic descriptions of geographic origins of Ottoman weapons and broad brushed dating ("nineteenth century"). Not being picky but a more precise dating would have been nice. In Ottoman arms there is a substantial difference on edged weapons manufactured early during what I call the "golden age" (1770-1840) and those made later. Overall a good reference book although not cheap.

Iain · 2nd November 2013, 10:48 AM

Thanks for posting your impressions of the book. Besides Ottoman, what other geographical regions does the book cover?

ariel · 2nd November 2013, 02:42 PM

A VERY good portion of the items are Indo-Persian. Several presentation weapons with astonishing degree of richness. Big collection of very expensive Keris and their handles, an interesting description of a large group of carved Dha handles. Firearms and armour are not my area of interest, so I just omit them.

There is a group of Caucasian kindjals, but only a couple are "old" in Caucasian terms: first half of the 19th century. The rest are right on the "19/20" line, classical Daghestani artistic items. Several Chinese/Tibetan swords, a lot of Nimchas, a smattering of Arabs and Indonesians and some exotic stuff. The descriptions are brief and factual, also centered around the decorative aspects. Not much discussion of the origin, the dating is by and large a guess, the fighting aspects are glossed over.

The main emphasis is on richness: gold, gems, ivory, jade. And the level of decoration is mind-boggling: carving, kundun, niello, inlays... I think the smallest diamond was bigger than a walnut :-) Virtually all items are well outside my level of financial commitment.

Personally, I would like to see more blades, but Mr. Hales obviously was interested more in the decorative aspects of Oriental weapons. That's fine with me. In a way, this is an expanded and even more lavish analogue of the famous catalogue Splendor of the Oriental Weapons.

The book is very expensive, but its quality is unsurpassable. Not for nothing there is a separate "collector edition".

With all the points stated above, who needs it? And the answer is: the longer I have it, the more often I pull it from the shelf just to look at the beauty of old swords and daggers, to admire the craft, to sense the importance of weapons in different cultures whereby they served as almost religious artistic objects. They were the souls of men.

Do not buy this book if you expect to find a factual analysis of military machinery, evolution of fighting implements, easy guide for identification of different patterns or deep discussion of esoteric subjects.

This is a paean to what the weapon meant to the people who could afford to own the ideal of The Sword.

Jens Nordlunde · 2nd November 2013, 10:19 PM

Very well written Ariel

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Did you know, that no 416 and 417 were exhibited at David's Collection (A museum in Copenhagen) in 1982?
There may be one more piece, but I am a bit unsertain abut that.
Jens

Iain · 3rd November 2013, 09:02 AM

Thanks Ariel, that's very helpful.

It's often not easy to find reviews on these sort of books that detail the aspects I'm interested in as a collector.

And given the asking price on this and some similar volumes it's quite the plunge to find it! Again, much appreciate your detailed write up.

Horsa · 3rd November 2013, 07:04 PM

Great thanks for alerting me. I will definitely order a copy.

I have two books like this. "Arts of the Muslim Knight" and also the Khalili Collection book. Any thoughts on how this one will compare?

31st October 2013, 08:48 PM	#1
digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	Robert Hales: Islamic Arms and Armour Just received the book. Some of the weapons pictured are amazing. Certainly a great reference book for the advanced or wealthy collector. Your average person is not likely to run into this kind of quality weapons. I have only briefly looked through it so no in depth book review. One negative I have noticed so far: mostly generic descriptions of geographic origins of Ottoman weapons and broad brushed dating ("nineteenth century"). Not being picky but a more precise dating would have been nice. In Ottoman arms there is a substantial difference on edged weapons manufactured early during what I call the "golden age" (1770-1840) and those made later. Overall a good reference book although not cheap.

2nd November 2013, 10:19 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Very well written Ariel. Did you know, that no 416 and 417 were exhibited at David's Collection (A museum in Copenhagen) in 1982? There may be one more piece, but I am a bit unsertain abut that. Jens

2nd November 2013, 10:48 AM	#2
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,693	Thanks for posting your impressions of the book. Besides Ottoman, what other geographical regions does the book cover?

2nd November 2013, 02:42 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	A VERY good portion of the items are Indo-Persian. Several presentation weapons with astonishing degree of richness. Big collection of very expensive Keris and their handles, an interesting description of a large group of carved Dha handles. Firearms and armour are not my area of interest, so I just omit them. There is a group of Caucasian kindjals, but only a couple are "old" in Caucasian terms: first half of the 19th century. The rest are right on the "19/20" line, classical Daghestani artistic items. Several Chinese/Tibetan swords, a lot of Nimchas, a smattering of Arabs and Indonesians and some exotic stuff. The descriptions are brief and factual, also centered around the decorative aspects. Not much discussion of the origin, the dating is by and large a guess, the fighting aspects are glossed over. The main emphasis is on richness: gold, gems, ivory, jade. And the level of decoration is mind-boggling: carving, kundun, niello, inlays... I think the smallest diamond was bigger than a walnut :-) Virtually all items are well outside my level of financial commitment. Personally, I would like to see more blades, but Mr. Hales obviously was interested more in the decorative aspects of Oriental weapons. That's fine with me. In a way, this is an expanded and even more lavish analogue of the famous catalogue Splendor of the Oriental Weapons. The book is very expensive, but its quality is unsurpassable. Not for nothing there is a separate "collector edition". With all the points stated above, who needs it? And the answer is: the longer I have it, the more often I pull it from the shelf just to look at the beauty of old swords and daggers, to admire the craft, to sense the importance of weapons in different cultures whereby they served as almost religious artistic objects. They were the souls of men. Do not buy this book if you expect to find a factual analysis of military machinery, evolution of fighting implements, easy guide for identification of different patterns or deep discussion of esoteric subjects. This is a paean to what the weapon meant to the people who could afford to own the ideal of The Sword.

3rd November 2013, 09:02 AM	#5
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,693	Thanks Ariel, that's very helpful. It's often not easy to find reviews on these sort of books that detail the aspects I'm interested in as a collector. And given the asking price on this and some similar volumes it's quite the plunge to find it! Again, much appreciate your detailed write up.

3rd November 2013, 07:04 PM	#6
Horsa Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 12	Great thanks for alerting me. I will definitely order a copy. I have two books like this. "Arts of the Muslim Knight" and also the Khalili Collection book. Any thoughts on how this one will compare?