Abjad code

psingh123 · 30th December 2020, 11:27 AM

Hello forum members,

Is anyone familiar with abjad - a code script? I think its where numbers are used to represent letters. Is anyone familiar with it? I have a sword with it on there:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26517

Any help would be appreciated!

David · 30th December 2020, 08:57 PM

That is not exactly what "abjab", when the word is used alone, means AFAIK. Abjab is a type of writing system in which (in contrast to true alphabets) each symbol or glyph stands for a consonant, in effect leaving it to readers to infer or otherwise supply an appropriate vowel.
However there is a system known as "Abjab Numerals" that assigns numbers to each of the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet. I realize this is undoubtably what you meant, but i wanted to point out the subtle differences so that nobody was confused.
Abjab Numerals is very similar in many ways to Hebrew Gematria. A similar thing was also done with the Greek alphabet.
I know more about Gematria then these other systems. In Gematria it is possible to find inner knowledge through words that add up to the same numerical value. I suspect a similar concept applies to Abjab Numerals.
While i can see why you felt this might be best as a separate thread from the sword you link to it might be best to upload some blade examples to this thread so that this is not seen as a Miscellaneous Subject thread and moved to a different page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals

kwiatek · 30th December 2020, 11:14 PM

I am familiar with calculating Abjad but if you are referring to the sword you posted a link to, I doubt very much it is an abjad chronogram.

psingh123 · 31st December 2020, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwiatek

I am familiar with calculating Abjad but if you are referring to the sword you posted a link to, I doubt very much it is an abjad chronogram.

Thanks for the info! Kwiatek, any idea what is written on the sword?

motan · 31st December 2020, 12:16 AM

Hi,
I just want to confirm what David already said. 100% right.
Further, some of the signs on the blade of your sword are letters, other are numbers and others are neither (at least if you assume it is Arabic, I can identify the letters 's', 'j' and 't' and the numeral 2). Therefore, I think that trying to decipher this inscription is futile. Sorry

psingh123 · 31st December 2020, 11:17 AM

Hi motan, yes your right, it probably is futile. But any info would still be great. Interesting you found them letters.

30th December 2020, 11:27 AM	#1
psingh123 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 33	Abjad code Hello forum members, Is anyone familiar with abjad - a code script? I think its where numbers are used to represent letters. Is anyone familiar with it? I have a sword with it on there: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26517 Any help would be appreciated!

30th December 2020, 08:57 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	That is not exactly what "abjab", when the word is used alone, means AFAIK. Abjab is a type of writing system in which (in contrast to true alphabets) each symbol or glyph stands for a consonant, in effect leaving it to readers to infer or otherwise supply an appropriate vowel. However there is a system known as "Abjab Numerals" that assigns numbers to each of the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet. I realize this is undoubtably what you meant, but i wanted to point out the subtle differences so that nobody was confused. Abjab Numerals is very similar in many ways to Hebrew Gematria. A similar thing was also done with the Greek alphabet. I know more about Gematria then these other systems. In Gematria it is possible to find inner knowledge through words that add up to the same numerical value. I suspect a similar concept applies to Abjab Numerals. While i can see why you felt this might be best as a separate thread from the sword you link to it might be best to upload some blade examples to this thread so that this is not seen as a Miscellaneous Subject thread and moved to a different page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals

30th December 2020, 11:14 PM	#3
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	I am familiar with calculating Abjad but if you are referring to the sword you posted a link to, I doubt very much it is an abjad chronogram.

31st December 2020, 12:16 AM	#5
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi, I just want to confirm what David already said. 100% right. Further, some of the signs on the blade of your sword are letters, other are numbers and others are neither (at least if you assume it is Arabic, I can identify the letters 's', 'j' and 't' and the numeral 2). Therefore, I think that trying to decipher this inscription is futile. Sorry

31st December 2020, 11:17 AM	#6
psingh123 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 33	Hi motan, yes your right, it probably is futile. But any info would still be great. Interesting you found them letters.