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Hi.
Im trying to pin down this Dagger. Any ideas? I thought maybe Eastern Europe but Im not sure. |
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Possibly Georgian? Has a destinct military look to it.
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Yes I think thats a possibility.
I wonder if anyone could help with the translation? |
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It looks Indian made to me, etched decoration and Arabic writing on the ricasso, the star symbol very like the Wilkinson sword quality mark. Well made with no great age to it, but a nice piece all the same.
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Hi, Templar,
Yes, I agree with David on this one, as the scrollwork and lettering are very similar to that found on several of my own, Indian daggers and sabers. Most of mine have turned out to be tourist items from the mid-20th century, though I have managed to collect a couple of genuine kukhris. Still, nothing wrong with your dagger, and by no means am I implying it's a tourist piece, only that the markings are similar to the ones on my Indian daggers. Looks like a solid, beautiful weapon to me. |
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Good Day, allow me to be an disturbance element
![]() Sorry Gentlemen (David R & NovelsRus) you are agreed on the fact that the scrollwork and lettering are very similar to that found on several, Indian daggers and sabers ![]() but you seems have ignored that, also, it's concerning Syrian daggers from Golan Mountains; the "Magdali" David has mentioned that; "star symbol very like the Wilkinson sword quality mark" ... YES ![]() but before, long time before Wilkinson ![]() - Salomon seal, for Yiddish - Soliman seal, for Muslims it's a "TALISMANIC" mark ... before a "quality mark" ![]() it's supposed, to banish the bad eye, far away from his possessor ![]() here, some pics about "Magdali", for "Soliman seal" I have some Islamic talismanic bowls engraved with some time, on both side (inside/outside), and are Ottomans, have been presented here for me this dagger, could be Syrian, 20th century ... modern version for "Magdali" ![]() all the best à + Dom |
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![]() NARS MIN ALLAH WA FATUM KARIB either VICTORY FROM ALLAH, AND INVASION SOON regards à + Dom |
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Forgive me Dom, but you seem to be basing you assumption of origin solely on the Arabic inscription (which makes no case for origin) and completely ignoring the form of this dagger and it's dress which is nothing like the Syrian "Magdali" daggers you posted. This dagger uses completely different materials and takes on a completely different form. I cannot see how you came to your conclusion from this evidence.
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![]() I wrote; "for me this dagger, could be Syrian, 20th century ... modern version for "Magdali" ![]() - the scripts as you may compare, are enough near - the "Soliman" seal, is more "Arab" than something else, in this contexte if I put a picture for daggers, it was to illustrate the origin of "ricassos" proposed not to compare them daggers, that would have been a "nonsense" at evidence, they don't have similitude, others than I mentioned ![]() best regards à + Dom |
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I suspect it is indeed a Wilkinson blade, but heavily re-shaped: shortened and converted into a dagger. Look at the etched area : the closer to the tip, the more narrow it gets, to the point that very close to the tip it runs off onto the edge.
The overall construction reminds me of Balkan renditions of a Kindjal, with a lot of brass on the handle, handguard etc. Trench art ? Too sophisticated... And the scabbard is very well made. Looks like a professional job, either intended for real use or souvenir-ish. |
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![]() while my translator provides translations for all requests the ricassos of my two "magdalis" although written in Arabic alphabet are still not translated ![]() because it is not Arabic language, dialect used must be "Druze" but in the specific case of this dagger who important to us this is "an extract from Holy Koran, it is (MUST) in Arabic actually, I share your point of view; - the written language is not always a proof of origin, just an index therefore, it is not the language that influenced me ![]() à + Dom |
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Hi,
This might be worth a look. Regards, Norman. Last edited by David; 26th February 2013 at 04:05 AM. Reason: item is for sale |
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Hi David, Apologies, so used to using Artzi's site for reference I didn't even see it was for sale. ![]() My Regards, Norman. |
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No worries Norm. I do agree that it was a similar example and supposedly from Afghanistan.
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Please Google "1897 patt. British Infantry officers sword". There is little/no doubt that the blade has been ground down from a replica or later Commonwealth issued version (probably Pakistan made) of one of these. The only variation from pattern is the Arabic slogan on the reverse from the double triangle.
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