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14th February 2012, 02:19 AM | #1 |
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Algerian Bichak/Bicaq
This should be a "bichak/bicaq" of the Ottomans in Algeria
the handle and scabbard are made of a silver alloy rather poor the blade is that of a conventional flissa with inlaid copper, as usual the tip of the sheath, intrigued me before buying, but after receiving I found that there was never a chape, absolutely no mark nevertheless, I imagined, how nicer could the scabbard with a Ottoman silver dolphin chape, two problems arise - the scale of the chape, and the tip of the sheath, it's may be a little weird - the quality silver alloys are not quite the same to help you to imagine the situation, I have posted pictures of two cases now thanks, to give me your views and comments best regards à + Dom |
16th February 2012, 02:29 AM | #2 | |
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I did not expect such a burst of enthusiasm on your part at all at least, I haven't a lot of answer to do ... (bitter irony) more seriously, as I mentioned, one of my concern was; - the scale of the chape, and the tip of the sheath, it's may be a little weird in my collection of spare-parts, I found an other Ottoman silver chape, with a better look, at least, the size is more convenient of the whole thanks for your comments, if you can take a few moments even, if you want to tell me, that it's just a junk, and ugly dagger at least I will have a comment à + Dom |
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16th February 2012, 02:41 AM | #3 |
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Dom,
I am not sure this dagger was ever meant to have a dolphin (seamonster) shaped chape. There have been various discussions about the links between the Balkans and the Maghreb. Elgood's latest book mentiones that some of the manufacturing centers in the Western Balkans had production, specially aimed at export to Tunisia and Algeria. When one considers that much of the local elite in Tunisia and Algeria at the time was descendant from Ottoman janissaries, its taste for elaborately decorated hilts and scabbards in the Balkan style is not surprising. What I personally see here is a local attempt at imitating a Balkan bichaq - the craftsman who produced the scabbard and the hilt for your dagger did his best interpretation. Casting a dolphin chape may have been out of his ability, and adding one now, over a century later, will only ruin the authenticity of what is an interesting and very nice Northern African dagger. Regards, Teodor |
16th February 2012, 04:01 AM | #4 | |
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thanks to share a reflexion with me your point of view makes sense, when you said; "will only ruin the authenticity" in fact I have been attracted by what I found with "google picture" I saw a "Silver Ottoman 19th C. Turkish Greek Bichaq Dagger" same size than mine, with exactly the same chape that I had in reserve thanks again, to have helping me in ideas exchange best regards à + Dom |
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