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What was the Hatf ?
What kind of sword was it ? What was it used for and what is its significance ? What did it look like ? Anyone any ideas or good sources of information ? ![]() |
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Here is a start =, I cannot vouce for teh accuracy of the site but it may start you on the road until someone here who knows more comes along
http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwhe...ords/hatf.html |
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Interesting, if the sword really is what the author writes, one would think there would be more than one homepage!
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I don't know why there is so little on the web on it but the Topaki museum is reported to have several swords attributed to Muhammad and his folowers s well as a large collection of early Qur'anic manuscripts
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Here is another list of the articles housed there relating to this Quote:
Author: Hilmi Aydin (author); Ahmed Dogru, Talha Ugurluel (editors); Dr. Brian Johnson, Hakan Yesilova (English editors); Korkut Altay, Recep Goktas (assistant editors); Dr. Mehmet Ipsirli (content editor); Etem Caliskan (calligraphy); Bahadir Taskin (photos) Publisher: The Light (2005) Or perhaps Arms and Armor from Iran Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani http://onlineislamicstore.com/b8512.html Sounds like a place I would love to visit here are some other links of some of the swords there and the museum http://www.topkapisarayi.gov.tr/ http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~history/topkapi.html http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/turk/TopkapiArms.html http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0305-6139(1990)17%3A2%3C244%3AAAW%5BSA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-X They are said to have the sword of the prophet David. http://www.invitation2truth.com/imag...ed-trust/3.jpg A saber made for OttoSultan Suleiman, the Magnificent http://thomaschen.freewebspace.com/images/xxsulei.jpg The sword of 4 Rightly Guided Caliphs http://haqaonline.lightuponlight.com...0and%20Ali.jpg The Blessed Prophet Muhammad's (Pbuh) http://haqaonline.lightuponlight.com...PBUH_Sword.jpg http://haqaonline.lightuponlight.com...rdandarrow.jpg The Swords of the Sahabi's (RA) and the Khalifa's (RA) – http://haqaonline.lightuponlight.com...ndkhalefas.jpg Hazrat Ali's (RA) sword http://haqaonline.lightuponlight.com...rat_Ali_RA.jpg Last edited by RhysMichael; 3rd March 2007 at 10:03 PM. |
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Thanks that is great, a lot to get looking into there. Not as much on the net as I thought there would be though!
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Dr. Unsal Yucel published a book titled " Islamic Swords and Swordmakers" with all the pics of Sacred Swords from the Topkapi.
In many cases, he inserts a cautious statement, like "... it is difficult to say whether this sword is from the 6th century CE..." or something like that. All of them are typical Mameluke swords and cannot be older than 14th century or thereabouts. Old enough, but no cigar... Are there any archeologically-authenticated pre-Islamic swords NOT belonging to the same group? |
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